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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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change the game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our difference is worldwide would vanish

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outside this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right good evening Fade to Black

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today is Monday March 20th 2023 I'm real

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Jimmy Church

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and tonight Susan schumsky is with us

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and we're going to be discussing India

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and the Beatles her book is the Inner

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Light how India influenced the Beatles

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her links are below and throughout

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social media and over on our website she

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has authored 20 books in English

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released 36 in foreign editions when 43

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book awards and has done 1300 media

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appearance appearances man

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she uh she was now here's the thing the

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Maharishi uh my ash Yogi's personal

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staff she was there uh she was on the

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personal staff for six years and lived

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in his ashrams over in India for 20

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years and here in the United States as

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well we'll be discussing all of that

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tonight and uh I think she's been about

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six months uh in India and I could have

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all those numbers wrong we'll find out

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um but she has been a central figure

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here in our community uh for many many

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years she teaches meditation prayer

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affirmation and intuition her book

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titles includes uh Miracle Prayer divine

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revelation exploring meditation

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Ascension instant healing the power of

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acras uh auras actress

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it's Monday or as awaken your third eye

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and that's right

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um by the way I am still not wearing

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glasses awaken Your Divine intuition

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color your chakras the big book of

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chakra's third eye meditations and many

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um she has done 700 live appearances and

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is featured in several movies including

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the Beatles and India all right Divine

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revelation.org is her website I would

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like to welcome for the first time my

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good friend Susan schumski for the first

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time here to fade a black Susan hey

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Jimmy it's about time yeah

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it's a fun time I mean we've been we've

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we've done lots of events together and

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uh I think we didn't we we did uh we did

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a vegan afternoon uh with our good

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wait wait wait wait wait wait wait a

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minute okay we're gonna discuss that

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after the show

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you know what they say

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first the mind then the body

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they say and so I don't know if it's you

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mine and so I don't know that maybe what

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um now Susan uh it's the first time on

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taken 10 years to do this but it's your

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first time here and you get the First

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you're on the show it's not gonna happen

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it's just you and I Susan sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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and where that conversation starts it

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starts and where it ends it ends but

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we're gonna end as friends there you go

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are you ready

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I'm ready for all the Rhymes yes yeah

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yeah the deal is if I if I forget the

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right oh man it's it's bad it's bad they

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will they will definitely uh let me know

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in the show but this is very special to

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me we're going on a cruise uh to the

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Mexican Riviera uh this is your event uh

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and thank you for the invitation this is

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going to be extraordinary

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and is is is enough for me but the other

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when you do a normal conference on Terra

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this and when you're on a cruise like

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knowledge acquisition you can't escape

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well you could go and do something else

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on the ship but you're going to still be

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on the ship right right right right yeah

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but how far can you go but yeah

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right it's just right there and you're

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there yeah yeah immersion in knowledge

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in everything coming to light

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that's what this is about it's called

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hidden secrets revealed Cruise so the

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idea is that all the secrets are going

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now what and I've got so many questions

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because it's the first time that you've

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um the inspiration for doing because

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world right for for decades

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cruises which you've been doing this for

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cruises you've done

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to come up with this idea

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tours and then overseas tours my first

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overseas tour was to India for the Kumba

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Mela which is this huge huge pilgrimage

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that takes place every 12 years where a

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hundred million people attend over a

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six-week period and I'm not exaggerating

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a lot of different sacred destinations

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cruises with my sister for fun you know

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Mount Shasta and Tetons I was doing not

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only tours but conferences and I thought

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conference on a cruise ship

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that that's crazy and and and and I

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Navigator of the Seas I even called you

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up this ship is amazing it is amazing

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different people right there is an

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entire Conference Center exactly and and

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that for seven days aren't we that's

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correct we have the whole Conference

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anytime we want to use it I I I'm great

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now uh one of the things now look it's

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it's it's Jason sherka and it's it's uh

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uh Scott Walter and and I mean uh I like

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equipment too bringing the ee system and

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it's going to be running for the entire

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cruise I can't conference room I I can't

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wait for but but for me okay all of that

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is great these are my friends and we're

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we're happy you know we got the a

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section of the dining room and we're

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that water slide man

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and and I found out that is I think now

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there might be one other but it's like

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the biggest water slide on the ocean on

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the ocean and on Navigator of the Seas

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the biggest water slide I'm so down for

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this it's so down we're gonna have so

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much fun and I'm gonna bring uh my sky

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watching gear uh all of my night watch

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night with uh Misha Johnston who does

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uh it was called the E5 meditation and

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breath work yes yeah and he's great with

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that and uh so I'm gonna bring I have a

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a few different pairs of night vision so

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I'm going to bring those and oh great

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and uh I'm gonna bring some lasers let's

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yeah it's gonna be a lot of fun so

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anyway I'm so looking forward to this

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and for everybody the links are below

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um they're over on my website they're

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out uh throughout social media and uh go

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and check it out and if you really want

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to get excited go look at the Navigator

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of the Season see what everybody says

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about this particular ship it is amazing

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breakfast with me on that balcony so if

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you're on the tour if you're you're

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breakfast with me and my sweet in the

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morning on my balcony hanging out over

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the Pacific come on the links are below

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we're gonna have a good time and you get

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to videotape me in my opaqueness on that

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um uh let's talk about the Beatles

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um and and India's influence and we're

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gonna get started there but I'm going to

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say this I'm going to start here

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when I was growing up

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I didn't get the Beatles

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I did not and I had a wit now it's

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different today we'll Circle back

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but for me I was this I mean I've been

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young young even when I was young I was

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a rock and roll guy five six seven eight

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years old and and I remember hearing

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about the Beatles breaking up and and

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things I was like oh okay well whatever

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it didn't it and and so later on in life

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and there were a couple of Beatles tunes

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affected me uh emotionally

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yeah shirtless I did like Yellow

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Submarine because my dad's band did a

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cover of it oh when I was a kid but but

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that was it so you grow up you know

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I'm a musician I'm in bands and I

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ignored the Beatles I ignored the

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Beatles I was I was in and then

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something changed

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and I I listened and I went

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this is real songwriting

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and I took this right hand turn and I

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really dived into the Beatles and

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watched all the documentaries that I

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could and then started to figure out I I

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the Paul McCartney solo stuff Wings

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loved it loved it but it but it hit me

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differently

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for you when you were growing up were

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you Beatles you know and you know that

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the other argument was are you rolling

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stones of the Beatles right Rolling

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Stones are The Beatles

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where were you growing up

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I was a beetle maniac

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fair enough

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and they um they arrived in the United

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States and appeared on Ed Sullivan Show

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and I loved the Beatles I was crazy

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about the Beatles I was also crazy about

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the Rolling Stones but I think I was

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more crazy about the Beatles yeah I

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didn't get the stones either so there

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you go I was neither I was a Led

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Zeppelin guy you know

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Led Zeppelin

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I was kind of I was that's that that was

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my thing I was watching

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um uh women in rock this uh series I

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think it's on Netflix it's really good

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and Nancy Wilson of heart says uh in

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this interview she goes

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it all changed with with Ed Sullivan and

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the Beatles She said that was it I saw

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that and I everybody was affected by

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that show if they saw it weren't they

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absolutely it changed the world The

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Beatles changed the world

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it's amazing the the effect that they

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had on the population of this planet and

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really their their message was all you

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need is love

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and it's great that they sang that on

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that big huge satellite feed

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because that was the epitome of their

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message All You Need Is Love

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do you

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look back now you have the bubble gum

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pop version of The Beatles right songs

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that were written for the radio and in a

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certain image and then all of a sudden

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right they changed very quickly didn't

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they

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were into psychedelics then came

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revolver well first came Rubber Soul

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which started the Psychedelic and then

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revolve her the full-blown psychedelic

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experience revolver

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and Tomorrow Never Knows was the epitome

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of that which was uh verbatim taken from

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the book The psychedelic experience

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which is based upon the Tibetan Book of

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the Dead

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and John Lennon and Paul went into the

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India Indica bookstore one day

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and John was looking for a specific book

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there but then he was looking through

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the shelves and came across suddenly

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came across the Psychedelic experience

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by Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert who

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later became Ram Das

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and he sat down on the city and read the

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entire book right there and then he then

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he

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composed that song and took those lyrics

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verbatim from from that book

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now

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um let's talk about drugs for a second

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because that is part of the show tonight

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how old were you during this period And

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so I'm guessing and I'm going to say 67

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right I'm I'm pretty close right 1967

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not your age but this was around 1967

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how old were you

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I was 19 years old 19. okay which means

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you were you were in the middle you were

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in the middle of it weren't you

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yes I was very much in the middle of it

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I I was living in the San Francisco Bay

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Area

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I was a hippie I was a flower child

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right I was totally in the the

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revolution there and I was going to I I

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was attending California College of Arts

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and Crafts

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and um and I was what can I say I would

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go go to the to the Avalon Ballroom in

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the Fillmore Auditorium in winterland on

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the weekends and I'd see the bands like

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Led Zeppelin and cream and Janice Joplin

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and all of them you know that that came

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yeah Jefferson Airplane of course

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yeah

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Santana Santana used to play uh at the

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People's Park in Berkeley they would uh

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play there for free every weekend I

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would go and see them

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um the the next question I mean it's

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kind of an obvious one but

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um we have an image of you know Hayden

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Ashbury and and and and the park there

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across the street and and Golden Gate

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Park and and you know the this thing and

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this movement

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um which was about freeing your mind and

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of course drugs uh of just about every

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kind uh were today we look back in like

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it was it was it that was the scene but

395
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you were there so are we looking at it

396
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lightly or was it was it not like that

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or was it even more extreme than the way

398
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history looks at it

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Altamonte right near the stage when

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Fiasco took place it was very terrifying

401
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actually I was afraid I was going to get

402
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trampled and that guy married as he got

403
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murdered right there and uh it was quite

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a scene and

405
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you know some people say that was the

406
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end of the hippie era it isn't really I

407
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mean I'm still a hippie

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I live in an RV I have no home base I'm

409
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totally a free spirit and have always

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been

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and the the time it was the time

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and you know the Beatles are part of

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that because they were also flower

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children

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and because of the time that we were in

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and the protest of the Vietnam War

417
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and the desire to experience Nirvana

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which all of us had we were looking for

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this higher Consciousness the Altered

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States so you know people don't really

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realize that aspect

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of the movement it was a spiritual

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Revolution that changed the world and

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that was because we were seeking higher

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States we were speaking Nirvana and

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so were the Beatles so they wrote about

427
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it they sang about it

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somebody just posted you look amazing

429
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and

430
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um well when you say you know you were

431
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19 back then you know there was uh 20

432
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I'm 100 I don't know what it was 18. I

433
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don't know everybody's doing the math

434
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:45,720
role it was 19 yeah I'll let everybody

435
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:48,720
know Susan looks exactly like she does

436
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right now you do look amazing and

437
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um

438
00:20:58,490 --> 00:20:56,820
we this is going on in the chat Susan

439
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and I had this conversation a couple of

440
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weeks ago on the phone and uh yeah I'm

441
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:06,900
still it it somebody's lying here

442
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:11,280
so the the real truth but um uh I have

443
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:16,880
my memories uh my uh my family 19

444
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68 69 1970 uh my dad went back to

445
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college he was in the Army but he went

446
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back to college

447
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at Western Michigan in in Michigan and

448
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Kalamazoo but that's not the story the

449
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story is I remember

450
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um at that age I was you know six seven

451
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eight years old at that time

452
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um I remember what I saw you know I saw

453
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:46,200
the protest I saw the partying I saw the

454
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hippie I saw the The Fringe I saw the

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the houses that were right we lived

456
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literally at the campus Gates so I I saw

457
00:22:03,470 --> 00:21:59,460
all of this this campus

458
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:03,480
um Western Michigan zoo and you know so

459
00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:05,940
I I was there for it I didn't understand

460
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:10,500
it but I remember Susan they there was

461
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this rally at the mirror pools and I saw

462
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this group of people coming up the

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street

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towards our house and there was like

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I'm gonna say 50 maybe more in a line

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one single five all holding hands oh all

467
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of them right as they were walking I

468
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never forgot that it's like burnt on my

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brain

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um this this piece this peace

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environment right it was it was

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extraordinary and also the Civil Rights

473
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demonstrations were very very prevalent

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in the 60s as well there were you know

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people fighting for rights it's not just

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uh people of color but also women

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women's rights

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now that was the time that Roe v Wade

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was born you know and

480
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unbelievable that it's been taken away I

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mean it's devastating

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so what came first

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um the and I watched the recent

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documentary of uh The Beatles uh I think

485
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it was three parts uh made by Paul

486
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McCartney's daughter

487
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um Peter Jackson with three parts the

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one by Peter Jackson yeah was it Peter

489
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Jackson or Peter Jackson okay I thought

490
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he produced it I thought it was written

491
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by it you know that doesn't matter it

492
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doesn't matter but

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um you're testing my mind my memory

494
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right now and I'm feeling on test each

495
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others yeah right uh

496
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but in there

497
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uh there were comments in in the

498
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interviews about uh about drugs about

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going to India about who did who didn't

500
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what was going on and I remember the

501
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change I I think most dramatically uh

502
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,140
for me was George I mean George wasn't

503
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talking and he was so what what came

504
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first did they do acid before they went

505
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to India or did that happen after they

506
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met the yogi

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I was before much before they went to

508
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India it was in

509
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:20,820
1964 that they got turned on to

510
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:25,320
marijuana by Bob Dylan and 1965 that the

511
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dentist the George Harrison's dentist uh

512
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spiked their coffee when they went to

513
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his house for dinner and suddenly they

514
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:37,580
were on an LSD trip

515
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and you know he didn't even tell them

516
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that he had done that to them

517
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and the Lennon was very angry but George

518
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just went with the flow and he had an

519
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,220
incredibly fantastic experience his they

520
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all did you know have a incredible

521
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experiences actually that was just John

522
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and George that were there with their

523
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spouses that

524
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:01,440
when they got spiked with LSD

525
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,120
it took a while for Paul to take LSD but

526
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Rango was down for it you know he went

527
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for it they had an LSD party in

528
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California

529
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um and that same year and

530
00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:21,000
Ringo is yeah I'll do anything

531
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,280
that's what he said I'll do anything in

532
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that documentary

533
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um which was after you know they got

534
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back uh from India

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00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,860
um

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00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:32,480
Ringo

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uh ringa was the happy-go-lucky guy I

538
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:39,980
mean he always was right but

539
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,080
there there was so much tension in that

540
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,799
studio between Paul and John and and

541
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:48,960
George just didn't want to be there he

542
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,240
quit like what three times all right and

543
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:54,240
and and and split and and almost didn't

544
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:55,679
come back

545
00:26:03,730 --> 00:25:58,799
um but but Ringo you know

546
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,740
come on man and that was uh he he he

547
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:06,480
seemed like a different person than what

548
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:10,020
I thought he was you know he was just he

549
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,340
was kind of like the glue that was

550
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:13,200
trying to keep it all together yeah he

551
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:15,419
always was really he was he was there as

552
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:24,289
and that was uh Ringo but he did quit

553
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:25,440
briefly

554
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,740
now he got pissed off one time and he

555
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:31,200
quit too yes he did he did

556
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,440
um now you or we're gonna uh come back

557
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:36,960
to the Beatles in just a second

558
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,720
um you also got involved in the movement

559
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:41,820
as well

560
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,340
um and where were you and what's the

561
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:46,740
time period for this

562
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:49,020
well I learned Transcendental Meditation

563
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,900
in 1967

564
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:54,240
before the Beatles did

565
00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:57,539
and I started I had such an incredible

566
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,340
experiences

567
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:01,919
with the meditation

568
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:04,980
practice that I immediately wanted to

569
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,799
become a teacher so I started to apply

570
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:09,600
to teach a training courses with

571
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,480
Maharishi and he was holding courses in

572
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,640
rishikesh India at the time

573
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,039
so I kept applying and applying and I

574
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:20,159
applied like three times and I kept

575
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,539
getting rejected because they kept

576
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,039
telling me you're too young you have to

577
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:24,960
be a college graduate you have to be 24

578
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,500
years of old you can't do it and I I did

579
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:30,960
apply to the Beatles course too but I I

580
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:32,279
didn't know the Beatles were going to be

581
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,179
there nobody did but I applied to that I

582
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:38,700
got to rejected again but I did end up

583
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:42,000
going in 1970 to study with maharaji and

584
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:44,220
rishikesh and I stayed six months at

585
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:46,380
that time there was a three-month course

586
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,299
and then then there was a handful of us

587
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:50,640
about six people who stayed afterwards

588
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:53,159
for another three months so I did that

589
00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:55,620
and not too long after that I joined his

590
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:57,659
International staff and stayed on his

591
00:28:02,390 --> 00:27:59,580
staff for six years

592
00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:02,400
and yeah you mentioned that I've been to

593
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:04,620
India I have been to India several times

594
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:08,100
uh since then but mainly I was when I

595
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:10,500
was with Maharishi I was on his staff in

596
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:11,580
Europe

597
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:19,140
and uh TM Transcendental Meditation that

598
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,059
was the maharishi's uh yeah that was his

599
00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:27,600
method he named it that it he did the

600
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:31,500
idea behind it was by other names you

601
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:34,679
know if anybody practiced it but

602
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:37,080
um or a version of it I should say but

603
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:39,419
TM which we hear a lot about right

604
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:41,580
Transcendental Meditation that was the

605
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,179
Maharishi yeah he he is the person who

606
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,580
who founded who created it who brought

607
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:48,960
it to the West

608
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:52,380
uh in 1959 when he first came to the

609
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:54,419
United States and came to the West

610
00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:56,840
there was no in the general population

611
00:29:02,510 --> 00:28:59,700
and in the dictionary there was no

612
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:02,520
Mantra there was no yoga there was no

613
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:05,760
Karma there was no Avatar you know no

614
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,820
ashram these words did not exist in the

615
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:11,840
language period and then within 10 years

616
00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:14,340
With a Little Help from his friends The

617
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:18,380
Beatles these became household words

618
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:24,480
the um that's fat ashram was not a word

619
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:25,980
I don't think you would have found it in

620
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:28,919
the dictionary right and Mantra as well

621
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,559
no no way no one ever heard of those

622
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:34,380
things man I'm starting to show my age I

623
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:37,260
in that I I thought that those were

624
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,299
words that were they're so accepted

625
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,179
today in popular absolutely

626
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:44,820
um and there was no yoga studios back

627
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:47,700
then there's nothing like that yeah

628
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:49,620
people didn't meditate there was no

629
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:52,260
meditation now

630
00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:55,919
um uh with the Beatles When

631
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:58,620
um when they arrived in India did they

632
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:01,760
have certain expectations and you know

633
00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:04,980
we see that we see the photographs and

634
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:07,740
and they're incredible uh and and you

635
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:10,200
know there's a lot of film footage of of

636
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,260
of the trip over there but did they have

637
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:15,899
big expectations or or what were they

638
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,179
thinking this

639
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,399
you know the the ultimate secret of life

640
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:22,799
and ultimate spiritual enlightenment in

641
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,260
in three months

642
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:27,179
that's what they expected

643
00:30:32,350 --> 00:30:29,820
that's that's kind of that's pretty high

644
00:30:35,149 --> 00:30:32,360
that's pretty lucky

645
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:35,159
it was a little unrealistic but you know

646
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:39,679
okay they were idealistic youth

647
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:43,020
oh man so why are you here to find the

648
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:46,440
meaning of life yeah right

649
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:49,140
answer now see uh

650
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:50,820
there was one day when

651
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,320
after came one of maharishi's disciples

652
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:57,360
owned a helicopter company come back to

653
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:00,539
Aviation anyway so the helicopter

654
00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:03,480
arrived to take Maharishi up on and

655
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:06,779
other people up on helicopter rides and

656
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,000
when Maharishi asked the Beatles who

657
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,340
wants to come up with me and John was me

658
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:14,159
me me you know so he let John come up in

659
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:15,659
the helicopter with him and then

660
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,600
afterwards Paul said to John well why

661
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:20,340
why were you so keen on going up in a

662
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:22,440
helicopter it's like this isn't like

663
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:25,620
we've never been on one and John said Oh

664
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:27,960
I thought maybe if I was there with him

665
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:31,020
he'd slip me the answer on my own

666
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,539
so he thought that Maharishi had an

667
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,240
answer and that all he had to do was

668
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:38,880
hear or get the answer and then he could

669
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:40,679
just go home because he would be you

670
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:43,860
know now you have the answer you you

671
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:46,860
were you you went to India 1970 right

672
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:50,100
yeah yeah and the Beatles were there in

673
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:53,700
68 yes 68.

674
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:56,100
um when you got there

675
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:57,960
they were still talking about it weren't

676
00:32:03,590 --> 00:31:59,220
they

677
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:03,600
well yes I mean I mean it was a big deal

678
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,690
there's a lot of photographers and a lot

679
00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:14,340
of Paparazzi that were trying to get

680
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:16,820
into the ashram you know the reporters

681
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,220
swarming going up into the trees trying

682
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,320
to take pictures and so on

683
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:25,200
uh so it was a big event yes and it was

684
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:27,000
an International Event not only the

685
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:28,980
Beatles were there but also Mia Farrow

686
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:31,919
was there and Mike Love Of The Beach

687
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,440
Boys and Donovan and Paul horn and you

688
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:39,120
know several

689
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,399
very famous

690
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:44,880
rock stars were there and so the Beatles

691
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,700
make it back to London uh they go back

692
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:49,380
in the studio

693
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,120
um and that was a pretty heavy moment

694
00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:57,600
but is it I I want to understand this

695
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,120
part was it just George that went back

696
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:05,039
to the other three Beatles return to

697
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:06,779
India

698
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:10,020
oh okay so yeah George was the one that

699
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:13,799
was really into Indian music uh he's the

700
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,200
one that first bought a sitar and played

701
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:18,360
a zitar on Norwegian Wood

702
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,059
and studied with Ravi Shankar who was

703
00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:23,519
you know he became extremely famous at

704
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:24,899
the time simply because he was

705
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:26,820
associated with The Beatles but also he

706
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,120
was a very famous guitarist in India

707
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,080
and so George studied with him in 1966

708
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:37,679
he went and studied with Ravi in India

709
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,980
and Robbie was quite skeptical that that

710
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,960
George would really stick with it and he

711
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,700
was right I mean George didn't stick it

712
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,080
he only stuck with him for a couple

713
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:47,760
years and then gave it up

714
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:49,980
but yeah it was really George it was

715
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:53,460
driving this whole India thing

716
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:55,740
I mean his wife was the one who first

717
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,720
learned Transcendental Meditation and

718
00:34:01,549 --> 00:34:00,000
then turned on George to it and then

719
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:01,559
George got tickets for all the Beatles

720
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:04,200
to go and see Maharishi on August 24th

721
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:08,700
in 1967. so then they went with

722
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:11,760
baharishi to Bangor North Wales to go on

723
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:14,639
a retreat uh supposed to be there for 10

724
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:17,700
days only stayed a couple days because

725
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,859
they were there for two days and

726
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:22,080
suddenly Brian Epstein died their

727
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:24,119
manager so they had to leave him go back

728
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:27,300
to London but um yeah George was the one

729
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,339
that was most interested in Indian

730
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,320
philosophy but I have to say that John

731
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,720
was very very interested also he was

732
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,580
really into it too

733
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:37,679
definitely they were more into it than

734
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:40,500
the other two than uh Paul and Ringo

735
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:45,780
and the the uh the music side of it

736
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:50,040
um as this transition happened which I I

737
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:51,540
don't think most people really

738
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:54,540
understand how long the The Beatles

739
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,000
career was very short

740
00:35:02,270 --> 00:34:59,280
they went through a lot of changes but

741
00:35:03,609 --> 00:35:02,280
really it's like six years right that's

742
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:03,619
it

743
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,240
1964. 62. well yeah okay but actually 60

744
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:11,339
and then 62 is when they started making

745
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:14,280
records yeah and and that but I'm just

746
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,820
talking about the the big the big the

747
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:20,160
the thing the fame yeah the big Fame

748
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:24,960
yeah 64 to 1970 and right that's it and

749
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,020
they they transitioned

750
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:31,440
um through so many different

751
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:33,560
um musical styles

752
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,079
period most people think uh you know

753
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:40,260
like the The Beatles spanned you know

754
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:43,560
the the was you know 30 years it wasn't

755
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:45,960
it was just a little blip on the radar

756
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:48,660
it was just six years in and out how did

757
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:52,980
the fans react to those changes from you

758
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:56,520
know bubble gum uh to very deep uh

759
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:58,140
spiritual

760
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:00,359
um mind music it's a really interesting

761
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:01,980
question because I go to the Beatles

762
00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:05,520
fests and I'll be going to one next week

763
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:08,280
and and the Beatles first you'll see the

764
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:10,380
they're all fans you know big fans and

765
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:11,880
you'll see some that are oh they're only

766
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,599
into the 1962 to 64. you know that's

767
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,339
that's the only music they like of The

768
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,500
Beatles and then there's other ones that

769
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,359
like this psychedelic part and then

770
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,560
there's other ones that like the

771
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:24,720
spiritual part and that's you know

772
00:36:30,970 --> 00:36:26,820
there's fewer that like the spiritual

773
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:30,980
part but you know there's so many genres

774
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:34,320
that they played that you know there's

775
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:37,560
something for everyone really

776
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,880
um but the fans themselves back then uh

777
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:44,640
were the Beatles concerned about that

778
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,460
with you know I mean just changing

779
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,920
clothes that quickly uh between albums

780
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:52,440
you know they just really wanted to

781
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:55,260
explore they wanted to diversify that's

782
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:56,760
the reason they came up with Sergeant

783
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:58,859
Pepper lonely horse Club Band they

784
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:59,880
didn't even want to be the Beatles

785
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:01,320
anymore they wanted to be something

786
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,200
different all all different incarnations

787
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:06,560
and you know it was an exciting

788
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,060
exploration for them when you see the

789
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:11,460
Peter Jackson documentary and you see

790
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,000
them composing music it's extraordinary

791
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:17,760
to actually watch their process

792
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:20,460
and it's so interesting so fascinating

793
00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:24,660
at least that was um that was the

794
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:29,060
documentary was that the one where uh

795
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:32,460
no no no that's not my question

796
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:35,940
um when Paul is writing the long and

797
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,380
Winding Road

798
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,900
and then they do a cut and they show

799
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,480
Paul singing the actual vocals that were

800
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:44,640
on the album that was that documentary

801
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:47,700
right I'm not sure if that was if there

802
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,740
was any cuts to anything I think that

803
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:52,079
maybe the Peter Jackson documentary was

804
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:53,880
just them in the studio I don't think

805
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:55,800
they were cuts to other things I think

806
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:57,420
you're speaking of another documentary

807
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,980
right yeah see I I think there was

808
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,599
another you said there was one with

809
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:03,359
Stella McCartney did yeah yeah yeah yeah

810
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:05,400
and then there's one that I'm in that

811
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,020
I'm featured in a lot it's called The

812
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,880
Beatles and India

813
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:11,520
uh that one I'm gonna watch that after

814
00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:14,280
uh that's a really good documentary by

815
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:16,380
the way it's because a lot of people see

816
00:38:20,770 --> 00:38:18,540
it on the on airplanes they come up to

817
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:20,780
me oh I saw you on the airplane

818
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:23,460
stop strangers come on oh I saw you on

819
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:26,220
the airplane now

820
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,619
um uh I want to talk about the book but

821
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:30,480
I'm setting everything up for the book

822
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:33,960
as you okay cool but uh we're having fun

823
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:37,740
what was the bigger influence was it

824
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:40,440
that moment with Timothy Leary

825
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:44,460
or was it the the trip to India

826
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:47,460
for the Beatles to get into Indian Wells

827
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:50,940
well no no no no they they went through

828
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:54,000
these dramatic changes and so I'm just

829
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:58,680
wondering at the moments of uh LSD with

830
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,980
Timothy Leary or was it the trip to

831
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,800
India that had the most influence

832
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:07,140
um on them

833
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:09,900
well I think both of those things had an

834
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,599
influence on them I mean LSD changed

835
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:15,119
everybody not just the Beatles right

836
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:17,880
right LSD when people are having these

837
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:20,300
perceptions that are totally different

838
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,400
that is not normal all of a sudden

839
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:25,500
you're having these hallucinations and

840
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:28,020
all these strange things are going on

841
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,140
or you're having Cosmic experiences and

842
00:39:37,089 --> 00:39:33,540
expansion of consciousness that's

843
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:37,099
something very different than 1960

844
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:41,520
whatever year uh normal perception so

845
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:44,820
that had a huge huge impact

846
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,960
well I'm impacted their music very very

847
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:50,640
profoundly changed their music

848
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,619
drastically

849
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:55,260
right right but I'm I'm asking because

850
00:40:02,210 --> 00:39:59,880
of my own experience and there was uh

851
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:02,220
you know like the first first time that

852
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:05,700
I smoked pot changed me right

853
00:40:13,089 --> 00:40:10,680
but not nearly as influential as Carlos

854
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:13,099
castaneda's first book right

855
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:16,859
that changed me that had a very profound

856
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,060
effect on me and my view of the world

857
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,220
um so that's why I was asking if it was

858
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:25,440
something like you know Timothy Leary

859
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:27,960
and LSD and I can only imagine what the

860
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:31,079
LSD was like in 1960 versus what is

861
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:33,720
going on today so uh but the Timothy

862
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:36,960
Leary site or going and getting involved

863
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:40,680
in TM uh with the Maharishi in India I

864
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,210
I don't I can't really judge but they

865
00:40:50,890 --> 00:40:49,740
were very much changed by their trip to

866
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:50,900
India

867
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:54,000
ended up that almost all the songs they

868
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,700
wrote on the White Album were written in

869
00:41:01,730 --> 00:40:59,040
India and it had to be a double album

870
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:01,740
because there was so much material and

871
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:03,960
so there was a period of huge creativity

872
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,599
in India and then of course there's the

873
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,700
experience of meditation that changed

874
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,520
them profoundly but then of course

875
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:13,619
because of the sour note at the end it

876
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,680
was a little bit of a it I think it

877
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,000
could have been

878
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:21,359
more influence if they had stuck with it

879
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:25,980
really and so you get all of this uh

880
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,040
life experience together and and you're

881
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,320
a Beatles fan

882
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:34,079
um and you you look at everything in in

883
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:36,900
total and then you have a decision to to

884
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,820
write this book

885
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:41,520
um why did you decide to make that

886
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:43,740
transition and publish

887
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:45,900
yeah why I wrote the book the Inner

888
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,119
Light how it influence the Beatles which

889
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:51,599
I think is uh right there

890
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:54,300
yeah that's it

891
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:01,310
this one which is Maharishi and me

892
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:02,700
seeking Enlightenment with the Beatles

893
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:06,480
guru and this book is a memoir there you

894
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,339
can see it better I don't know this has

895
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:11,040
a shine on it all right so that is my

896
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:12,180
memoir

897
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:14,280
because I spent all this time with him I

898
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,660
wrote that book

899
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:18,480
and I didn't just write about me and my

900
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,220
relationship with marishi I wrote in

901
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:22,380
that book about

902
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:23,400
um

903
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,260
a lot of celebrities that were with

904
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,599
Maharishi when I was around you know so

905
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,520
I wrote about the celebrities and their

906
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,920
experiences with Maharishi

907
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:34,200
and including the Beatles

908
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,940
so there were and there are some good

909
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:38,640
pictures of The Beatles in there and a

910
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,760
lot of interesting stories but then you

911
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:43,680
know it was such a small part of that

912
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:44,520
book

913
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:46,740
and I realized I wanted to tell the

914
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:50,220
whole story of The Beatles in India and

915
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:53,700
you know make really the whole Good the

916
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,460
Bad the Ugly everything about the

917
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,079
Beatles in India

918
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:01,440
and also I wanted to write

919
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,700
about

920
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:05,040
the influence of India on the Beatles

921
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:09,000
because it was profound the music the

922
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:12,359
musical instruments the musicians the

923
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:13,619
lyrics

924
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:16,980
so I wrote this incredible book

925
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:20,040
which has 512 pages

926
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:23,880
and which is uh has this beautiful cover

927
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:27,060
that I I actually created the collage

928
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:28,619
for the cover

929
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:30,300
which I think is really cool because

930
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:33,300
it's a nod to Sergeant Pepper yep if you

931
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:35,640
see that you think oh Sergeant Pepper

932
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,500
because it has all the people in the

933
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:39,300
background uh they're all these

934
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:41,819
spiritual influences it also has some

935
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:44,220
Indian musicians on it and has Lakshmi

936
00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:46,260
there in the center which is she's on

937
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:49,560
Sergeant Pepper in the center

938
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:52,200
yeah so

939
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,339
um when when the Beatles went there I've

940
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:59,280
often wondered about this because

941
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:02,099
um I see and maybe you can help me

942
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:03,960
understand this when I see the ashrams

943
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,720
and I see that many people there that's

944
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,119
it there's a lot

945
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:10,800
um are you

946
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:16,079
it's not luxurious oh no right

947
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:20,460
you're in a cement Barrick uh with uh

948
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:23,160
cobwebs on the Windows uh outdoor

949
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,220
Plumbing outdoor wash basin outdoor

950
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,359
toilet

951
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,000
and you know you're in a cell and

952
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,240
there's a cot and there's a table and a

953
00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:36,240
chair so the Beatles weren't at the Four

954
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:38,300
Seasons no

955
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:41,099
they were staying at the ashram yeah

956
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,500
they were not at the oberoi hotel so the

957
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,260
thing is the the ashram in rishikesh is

958
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,540
very remote it's in the foothills of the

959
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,760
Himalayas it's in a very small village

960
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,740
called rishikesh on the banks of the

961
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:54,839
Ganges River overlooking the Ganges

962
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:58,440
about 150 feet up on a cliff very

963
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:59,700
beautiful view

964
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:03,119
and very primitive and they and

965
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,099
Maharishi asked them if they wanted to

966
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:07,440
dine you know by themselves and have

967
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:09,060
their own exclusive dining room they

968
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:10,319
said oh no we'll dine with everybody

969
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:12,180
else they just hung out with the

970
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:14,220
students that were there and they were

971
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:17,400
very friendly and outgoing and they they

972
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:18,900
would go up on the roof of their

973
00:45:26,770 --> 00:45:23,700
Bungalow compose music up there

974
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:26,780
and also also George

975
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:29,099
started to have like

976
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:32,339
hippie music concerts up there on on the

977
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,740
roof of the of his Bungalow he brought

978
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,500
this organ up there and he would play

979
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:39,359
for the 20-somethings they would have a

980
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:41,700
Little Rock concert every day

981
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:45,000
and how long were they in India

982
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:46,980
okay so John and George stayed the

983
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,079
longest they were there for two months

984
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,960
Paul stayed for about one month and

985
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:53,640
Ringo stayed for only about a week

986
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:56,640
because he had babies at home one of his

987
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:59,460
children was only six months old

988
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,140
you know so he couldn't really stay very

989
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:03,420
long now what were the rules for the

990
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:07,140
Maharishi were there drugs no absolutely

991
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:11,760
not exactly and so with with TM okay so

992
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,800
there's meditation and then there's TM

993
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:16,260
what what's the difference

994
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,540
well meditation's just a generic word

995
00:46:23,770 --> 00:46:20,700
for any kind of

996
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:23,780
getting quiet quieting the mind or

997
00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:26,940
contemplation you know or going into a

998
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,339
quiet state or just closing your eyes

999
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:32,160
there's so many types of meditation but

1000
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:34,500
Transcendental Meditation is a specific

1001
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,780
brand of meditation it's been

1002
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:38,480
trademarked you know it's an actual

1003
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,359
method and it uses a mantra using Mantra

1004
00:46:47,569 --> 00:46:44,520
it's a mantra meditation which

1005
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,579
just basically you repeat a mantra in

1006
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,400
your mind quiet you know you don't say

1007
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,520
it or chant it you just think it quietly

1008
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,740
and it takes you into a state of

1009
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,480
transcendental Consciousness that's why

1010
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:59,119
it's called Transcendental Meditation

1011
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,119
and does everybody have their own mantra

1012
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:05,339
well everybody has a mantra but there's

1013
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:08,760
a very limited number of mantras that

1014
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,160
that we're just

1015
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:12,560
understand

1016
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:15,780
I've never practiced TM I've read you

1017
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,180
know I've read some of it right but

1018
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,400
where did the mantras come from

1019
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,800
India I'm mean these are traditional

1020
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:24,540
mantras from India it's not something

1021
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:27,300
that Maharishi invented the mantras the

1022
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:29,940
mantras are very well widespread known

1023
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,300
in India and they are chanted or they're

1024
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:36,319
they're used mentally mostly in India

1025
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:39,780
most I have to say that in the Hindu

1026
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:42,540
temples and in India mostly mantras are

1027
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,260
chanted but uh in a serious meditation

1028
00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:49,920
practice they are uh they're repeated

1029
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:52,500
mentally and and the Beatles were doing

1030
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:56,040
this absolutely they were doing it and

1031
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,140
and how long

1032
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,480
um I'm just picturing John doing this

1033
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:02,700
right and yeah you know and taking this

1034
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:05,220
they took it very very serious very

1035
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:06,540
seriously

1036
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,099
um oh okay so how long well don't say

1037
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,440
how don't answer like

1038
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:15,780
however long you want to do it

1039
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:19,079
um but when when you go into this how

1040
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,540
long typically are you in this

1041
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,700
meditative State okay

1042
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:25,200
then you first learn Transcendental

1043
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:27,240
Meditation you practice it 20 minutes

1044
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:28,500
twice a day

1045
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,060
morning and in

1046
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:32,579
our evening so you do it twice a day for

1047
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:34,380
20 minutes each time

1048
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,300
but when you go on one of these long

1049
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,940
Meditation Retreat courses like the

1050
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,680
Beatles went on they went on a teacher

1051
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:42,780
training course that's what that's what

1052
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,220
they did they went on the teacher

1053
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:47,760
training course in India and during that

1054
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:50,819
time you would meditate longer and

1055
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,220
longer and longer until you were

1056
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,160
meditating all day basically and John

1057
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,079
and George got up to eight hours a day

1058
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,020
that's that's incredible to me yeah I

1059
00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:02,960
mean that's that and

1060
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:05,819
you were you doing the same thing I

1061
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:07,260
certainly was when I went on the

1062
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:09,900
retreats in fact I did up to 20 hours a

1063
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:10,680
day

1064
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,640
and in fact at one point I went into my

1065
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,319
room and I did not appear for four

1066
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:18,240
months at a time

1067
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:20,760
and uh yeah

1068
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,099
and and there were times when I was in

1069
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:25,619
silence also actually actually I should

1070
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,040
say no no I'm sorry uh one time I went

1071
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:31,680
into my room and uh stayed there for two

1072
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:34,560
weeks and didn't come out and another

1073
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:38,400
time I did not speak for four months

1074
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:40,200
four months at a time

1075
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:41,940
I didn't speak

1076
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:44,819
I I was in silence

1077
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:48,720
so it was extreme we did it to the

1078
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,720
extreme back then right and this was

1079
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,520
part of the training

1080
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:55,260
it was

1081
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:58,980
four months well the four in four months

1082
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:01,500
of silence is something that that

1083
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:04,319
Maharishi encouraged silence he did

1084
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,119
encourage for people to to observe

1085
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:08,460
silence and some of us did and I was one

1086
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:11,160
of the people that did four months yes

1087
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,140
four months of Silence that was when I

1088
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,420
was in Europe now did any of the Beatles

1089
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:17,339
do this

1090
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,109
they did go and go in and not come out

1091
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,280
for some period of time I don't know

1092
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:31,680
exactly how many days they did that but

1093
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:34,260
they did follow the instructions that

1094
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:35,880
Maharishi was giving to the course

1095
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,339
participants at that time and there

1096
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:40,980
definitely was silence as part of that

1097
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:43,260
and what do you have with you in the

1098
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:44,480
room

1099
00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:47,579
like I said you got a chair and you got

1100
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:53,690
and you got a shelf

1101
00:51:03,549 --> 00:51:00,599
and a stereo no no stereo right no TV

1102
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,559
um so help me understand

1103
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,760
there are people listening right now

1104
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:07,760
that are going what

1105
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:11,880
so help me understand this

1106
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,700
um you you have a room you've got a cot

1107
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,440
you've got a shelf

1108
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,720
is there a chair yeah there's a chair

1109
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:20,700
okay good you can sit on the chair or

1110
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:22,460
you can sit on your bed

1111
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:26,220
that's it it's just you and your

1112
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,119
thoughts

1113
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,240
you and the meditation practice Yeah and

1114
00:51:38,049 --> 00:51:36,650
uh would you have a book with you no

1115
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,059
okay

1116
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:41,220
wait wait wait wait wait so wait a

1117
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:44,280
minute are you saying that John Lennon

1118
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:46,740
or any of the Beatles I keep saying John

1119
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:49,980
you know my favorite I was a Paul guy

1120
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:52,380
still am love Paul

1121
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:55,500
um are in a room for a couple of days

1122
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:01,020
yeah with nothing but their thoughts

1123
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,940
well they have their guitars you know

1124
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:05,040
they're beetles

1125
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:09,240
oh okay okay all right okay now I'm

1126
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:12,540
buying what you're selling okay now I

1127
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,760
mean that's a okay all right all right

1128
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:16,559
all right all right

1129
00:52:23,809 --> 00:52:21,359
um and and so was this

1130
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:23,819
was this a defined amount or are you

1131
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:27,720
coming and going do you do you come out

1132
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:29,940
when you're ready so the thing is that

1133
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:33,000
Maharishi would meet people every day

1134
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:36,720
so even on those days when they uh

1135
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:38,579
actually no

1136
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:41,099
he would meet people every day for most

1137
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,980
of the course but there were some period

1138
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,079
of time in the very middle of the course

1139
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,500
and I can't say how many days it was

1140
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:51,839
but there's a period of time during the

1141
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,160
middle of the course when you would go

1142
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,200
into silence and you would not come out

1143
00:53:00,049 --> 00:52:57,839
at all for a few days and you wouldn't

1144
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,059
see Maharishi at all but he would be

1145
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:02,160
available if you needed to go see him if

1146
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:04,140
you were having a you know bad

1147
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,700
experience or scary experience or

1148
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:07,559
something you could go visit him in his

1149
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:09,420
bungalow

1150
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:14,460
and what was the purpose of not only the

1151
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:15,960
two months there

1152
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,420
and I you know I know it's the the the

1153
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:21,119
the meaning of life or you know the

1154
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:26,220
secret of life but what is ultimately uh

1155
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:29,160
the goal uh with TM

1156
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:32,640
or the ultimate goal with TM is the goal

1157
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,440
of any spiritual meditation practice

1158
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,260
which is God realization realizing the

1159
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:39,420
self self-realization God realization

1160
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,119
Finance out who you really are and

1161
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:44,819
experiencing the divine presence that is

1162
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:48,000
within you and in the case of TM

1163
00:53:52,510 --> 00:53:50,099
Transcendental Meditation is to

1164
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:52,520
experience transcendental Consciousness

1165
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:56,099
and then Cosmic Consciousness and then

1166
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,740
God Consciousness and unity

1167
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:00,660
Consciousness all these higher States Of

1168
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,460
Consciousness that Maharishi would talk

1169
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:05,040
about and Paul wrote a song called

1170
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:08,099
cosmically conscious

1171
00:54:14,109 --> 00:54:12,480
when when they got back from India

1172
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:14,119
um I okay

1173
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,500
it it is my thought on this that they

1174
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:22,319
went to India as a band hoping to become

1175
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:24,300
closer

1176
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:26,040
they came back from India different

1177
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,220
people every single one of them took a

1178
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:32,240
hard look at themselves as individuals

1179
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:37,380
and they all splintered right they were

1180
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:40,619
not cohesive when they came back is that

1181
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:43,559
the right assessment and and do you

1182
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,140
think that was their goal was to you

1183
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,480
know to be take that brother thing

1184
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,119
closer and that's why they went to India

1185
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:53,760
but the the opposite happened

1186
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,280
I think that that was I don't think that

1187
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,960
was their goal for them to become closer

1188
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,280
they were already close they were

1189
00:55:03,970 --> 00:55:00,480
already Brothers

1190
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:03,980
uh their their goal was to experience

1191
00:55:09,290 --> 00:55:07,260
the secret to to find the answer of life

1192
00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:09,300
which they had been seeking because they

1193
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:11,339
were Explorer exploring with

1194
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:13,980
psychedelics and those of and those of

1195
00:55:19,569 --> 00:55:16,440
us who were seriously interested in

1196
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:19,579
spirituality with psychedelics we wanted

1197
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:23,119
Nirvana we wanted to reach that ultimate

1198
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:25,619
Consciousness that higher Consciousness

1199
00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:28,020
and that's what they were looking for

1200
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:30,020
uh so

1201
00:55:36,829 --> 00:55:34,200
yes they did become more individualized

1202
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:36,839
I think your assessment is very right

1203
00:55:40,849 --> 00:55:38,940
with that and you see that reflected in

1204
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:40,859
The White Album which is not really a

1205
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:42,900
Beatles album it's an album of different

1206
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,559
Beatles a Beatles singing this kind of

1207
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:48,720
song another Beatles sings another kind

1208
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,319
of song not so much a Beatles album as a

1209
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,619
compilation of four Beatles uh so that's

1210
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:57,960
what that ended up being but there's

1211
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,680
many people who believe that exactly

1212
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:04,319
what you evaluated there are many people

1213
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,940
who believe that and uh yeah the Beatles

1214
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,000
we're different and Maharishi told them

1215
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:14,880
when they were in India he said if you

1216
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:18,420
do not continue your meditation practice

1217
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,599
your band is going to break up

1218
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:24,480
did he grade them

1219
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:27,180
well you know it's an interesting thing

1220
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:30,300
because Maharishi said

1221
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:32,520
about uh

1222
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:36,300
said about the Beatles he said George

1223
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,520
uh he said

1224
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,079
um Ringo

1225
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:42,839
is always in meditation

1226
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:45,720
and he goes by feeling and heart

1227
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,780
but as for the other Beatles too much

1228
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:50,880
brain is in the way

1229
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:54,780
he said George is the most advanced

1230
00:57:01,490 --> 00:56:58,020
and this is his last life

1231
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:01,500
but John has many more lifetimes to go

1232
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:03,720
and he should not give in to his

1233
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:13,670
wow what about Paul well that's all

1234
00:57:19,609 --> 00:57:17,119
accurate too yeah I apologize

1235
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:19,619
well hold on hold on hold on hold on

1236
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:21,180
hold on hold on a minute

1237
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:29,210
it's 1968 and did the Maharishi make

1238
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:32,940
these comments in 1968

1239
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:35,220
right yes he made the comments when the

1240
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,260
Beatles were there in India yeah oh he

1241
00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:40,319
made him okay because how accurate is

1242
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:43,800
that yeah right I mean history is tough

1243
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:47,960
history is tough history is always right

1244
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:50,700
it's always right and looking back the

1245
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:52,460
mahirishi was spot on the money

1246
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:56,040
absolutely I believe he was he has spot

1247
00:57:59,870 --> 00:57:57,720
on the money okay so what about Paul

1248
00:58:04,370 --> 00:57:59,880
we've got there was no comment about

1249
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:04,380
Paul I didn't what why

1250
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:06,540
probably because

1251
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:08,280
he didn't really have anything to say

1252
00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:10,140
about but I don't know those are the

1253
00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:12,059
only things that I found out which was

1254
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:14,099
uh one of the brahmachars one of

1255
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:16,800
maharishi's disciples had written that

1256
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:20,520
in their diary now it seemed to me

1257
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,440
um uh that watching The Beatles write

1258
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:28,020
after they got back and those sessions

1259
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:31,559
are fascinating to watch I'm a musician

1260
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:34,920
I produced albums I've trust me I know

1261
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:37,619
the process and

1262
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:39,480
it was Paul

1263
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:42,660
that was writing his butt off oh yeah

1264
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:44,819
Paul was he was the one that really

1265
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:47,460
wanted the Beatles to stick together

1266
00:58:53,089 --> 00:58:51,240
he really really was devastated when

1267
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,099
they broke up yeah I mean it was bad it

1268
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,920
was bad for Ringo too Ringo ended up on

1269
00:59:01,789 --> 00:58:58,559
a drunk and on I mean he just fell apart

1270
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:01,799
completely and became an addict

1271
00:59:07,069 --> 00:59:05,280
and um Paul and well John also became an

1272
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,079
addict but not because the Beatles broke

1273
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:10,079
up is because he was it was with Yoko

1274
00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:13,260
and they were whatever so uh but Paul

1275
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:15,480
Paul was trying so hard to keep them

1276
00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:17,460
together and he was working so damn hard

1277
00:59:23,569 --> 00:59:21,059
to to let's you know let's focus let's

1278
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,579
let's get this done let's let's stay

1279
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,160
together you know he always really

1280
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:28,079
wanted uh to

1281
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,180
keep the band together yeah he was

1282
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:32,339
having those meetings remember that you

1283
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:33,780
know getting everybody together and

1284
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:36,359
trying to talk through this

1285
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:40,559
um but uh you could see that George was

1286
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:42,780
having difficulty I mean it's just my

1287
00:59:48,829 --> 00:59:45,780
opinion but oh yeah it's there he he was

1288
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:48,839
just having difficulty trying to

1289
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:51,900
be a musician right and trying to be in

1290
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:53,579
that band he was having a really tough

1291
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:56,760
time of it and I think John was just

1292
01:00:02,329 --> 00:59:59,940
going along you know just going through

1293
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,339
the motions because it was a band they

1294
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:04,799
probably had a record contract and he

1295
01:00:08,569 --> 01:00:06,780
was there fulfilling his obligations but

1296
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:08,579
it was Paul that was writing his butt

1297
01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:11,819
off yeah yeah absolutely yeah and George

1298
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:14,359
had lost heart about the Beatles because

1299
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:17,700
his heart was in India his heart was

1300
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:21,599
with Ravi and with sitar and the Indian

1301
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,660
music and Indian musicians and you know

1302
01:00:30,010 --> 01:00:26,940
he had written um

1303
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:30,020
that crazy hippie uh

1304
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:33,780
album uh and then he had done several

1305
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:35,880
albums in India

1306
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,480
and uh so he was really very much into

1307
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:42,240
the whole uh Indian experience and

1308
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,200
Indian philosophy and uh that that crazy

1309
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:48,480
hippie movie Wonderwall that he wrote

1310
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:52,140
the score for and so he was he was

1311
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:55,079
immersed in the Indian culture

1312
01:01:00,589 --> 01:00:57,420
and he didn't want to come back from

1313
01:01:02,890 --> 01:01:00,599
that he when he had to work on Sergeant

1314
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:02,900
Pepper his heart wasn't into it

1315
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,180
it's surprising to me that the Maharishi

1316
01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:08,160
didn't make those comments about Paul

1317
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,819
but there's I think maybe he was happy

1318
01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:13,680
he was happy with Paul

1319
01:01:17,410 --> 01:01:15,480
right he think he was complaining about

1320
01:01:21,289 --> 01:01:17,420
Paul at all yeah

1321
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:21,299
yeah a very strange comments about John

1322
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,660
wow that's that's just I mean I thought

1323
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:27,119
it was pretty interesting oh man all

1324
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:28,319
right let's take our break right here

1325
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:31,740
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1326
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:34,619
are talking about India's influence on

1327
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:37,260
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said right then

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01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:56,180
um sorry about that

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01:06:02,990 --> 01:05:59,700
oh man it's all that uh those acid

1420
01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:03,000
flashbacks uh for me in the 70s

1421
01:06:10,190 --> 01:06:07,619
but uh you know I I am I am surprised uh

1422
01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:10,200
about the maharishi's lack of comments

1423
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:13,740
about Paul and I and I I think that

1424
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,299
comments about him I just don't don't

1425
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:17,760
know what they were no no no but what I

1426
01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:20,400
mean is I'm in in a public sense right

1427
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:24,359
and and that the three is three comments

1428
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:26,520
about the other Beatles I think were

1429
01:06:31,309 --> 01:06:28,680
very interesting like I I think there

1430
01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:31,319
was more work to be done right on those

1431
01:06:34,970 --> 01:06:34,020
three but I guess Paul Paul had it

1432
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:34,980
together

1433
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:38,760
it could be yeah now

1434
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:42,240
um uh but when I talk about a dramatic

1435
01:06:46,609 --> 01:06:44,280
um change

1436
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,619
um when you consider

1437
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:48,900
um the difference between help and and

1438
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:50,940
Rubber Soul it's like two different

1439
01:06:57,069 --> 01:06:54,720
bands that's two different and they they

1440
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:57,079
were released in the same year

1441
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:01,740
I mean they evolved quickly

1442
01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:04,700
I mean seriously if you think about it

1443
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:09,260
that one band comes in and Records help

1444
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:12,539
especially the song help and then the

1445
01:07:17,809 --> 01:07:15,780
the come in and do Rubber Soul it's a

1446
01:07:19,609 --> 01:07:17,819
it's it's two different bands very

1447
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,619
dramatic

1448
01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:20,880
yeah

1449
01:07:25,849 --> 01:07:23,880
um that's where George Harrison first

1450
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,859
learned about the sitar learned about

1451
01:07:30,829 --> 01:07:28,799
Indian music was on help help had an

1452
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:30,839
Indian soundtrack

1453
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:33,119
that was because of George Martin and it

1454
01:07:39,049 --> 01:07:35,599
had an indie theme it was about suggies

1455
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:39,059
suggies were these kind of uh horrible

1456
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:42,599
thieves who lived in like I don't know

1457
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:46,319
17th 18th 19th century and they would

1458
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,380
Rob people and murder them and chop them

1459
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:51,359
up into pieces and I mean they were

1460
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,420
horrible so thuggies were the the

1461
01:07:59,210 --> 01:07:56,700
bandits that were in in that film

1462
01:08:01,849 --> 01:07:59,220
they're portrayed in that film and there

1463
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:01,859
was one scene in the film where they

1464
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:04,680
were in a supposed Indian restaurant

1465
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:08,480
and there was a Indian musicians playing

1466
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:11,940
a medley of Beatles songs but with

1467
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:14,720
Indian instruments and

1468
01:08:20,749 --> 01:08:17,520
during the break of of the filming

1469
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,759
George picked up the sitar and just kind

1470
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:22,560
of played with it for a minute and he

1471
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,080
said oh that's a weird sound you know

1472
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:27,120
and it got kind of fascinated with that

1473
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,400
and at the same time during the same

1474
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,560
filming of help

1475
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:33,839
they were riding around and there's one

1476
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,160
scene where they're riding around on

1477
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,440
bicycles around and around and as they

1478
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:39,120
were waiting to do that scene there was

1479
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:43,380
a yogi who appeared uh out of nowhere

1480
01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:46,140
and he came up to them trotted up to

1481
01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:50,219
them and gave each Beetle his book which

1482
01:08:56,689 --> 01:08:53,100
was the first book on Hatha Yoga in the

1483
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,699
west and he gave them autographed copies

1484
01:09:01,550 --> 01:08:59,279
of his Hatha Yoga book

1485
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,560
so that was when they were first

1486
01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:04,080
introduced to anything Indian was on the

1487
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,339
on the stage of help while they were

1488
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:11,279
recording that I swear I thought that

1489
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,160
was a Krishna in that scene you're

1490
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:16,980
saying it was a yogi I am oh no no

1491
01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:19,859
there's no yo he wasn't in the film

1492
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:22,440
this was when they had down time he just

1493
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:24,359
came up to them and handed them the

1494
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:27,000
books oh okay all right I'm like man in

1495
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:30,060
the film in the film they um they made

1496
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:32,460
fun of Kali because they called her

1497
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:36,420
kahili in the film and uh the thuggies

1498
01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:38,580
actually used to worship the goddess

1499
01:09:45,729 --> 01:09:43,219
Kali and Kali is a very you know famous

1500
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:45,739
deity in India

1501
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:51,420
and um but it was a that film was not

1502
01:09:58,130 --> 01:09:54,360
kind to Indians it really

1503
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,140
it was it was very racist that film yeah

1504
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,760
I need to go back and watch it again

1505
01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:01,679
it's been a while

1506
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:04,920
um since I I saw it now

1507
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,840
um they talk about I keep going back to

1508
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:09,120
the documentaries because I just watched

1509
01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:12,840
both of them you know six months ago and

1510
01:10:17,689 --> 01:10:15,540
I had a couple of friends of mine

1511
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:17,699
um in the music industry in the music

1512
01:10:20,689 --> 01:10:18,960
business

1513
01:10:22,510 --> 01:10:20,699
um textbook dude have you seen this yet

1514
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:22,520
have you seen this have you seen this

1515
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:27,179
and there was quite a bit of chatter uh

1516
01:10:31,610 --> 01:10:30,300
about how great uh uh the documentary

1517
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:31,620
was

1518
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:37,199
a point in the documentary that I

1519
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,580
thought was interesting and it wasn't

1520
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:41,040
explored enough that

1521
01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:42,560
um they didn't

1522
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:46,380
did they get in a fight in India what

1523
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,669
um well

1524
01:11:00,290 --> 01:10:57,120
Rango split early

1525
01:11:03,010 --> 01:11:00,300
because like I said yeah there's babies

1526
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:03,020
at home and also Maureen hated the

1527
01:11:09,050 --> 01:11:07,199
insects the insects were really she just

1528
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:09,060
couldn't handle it

1529
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:12,900
um and uh so they left for those reasons

1530
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,199
and then Paul had to leave because he

1531
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,360
came there with Jane Asher and Jane

1532
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,400
Asher had a theatrical commitment back

1533
01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:23,280
in London so there was no Rancor at all

1534
01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:25,860
with Maharishi they just had to leave

1535
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:30,120
but then uh yes there was a conflict and

1536
01:11:35,570 --> 01:11:32,100
there was a reason why they left India

1537
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:35,580
why John and George left India there

1538
01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:37,500
were some reasons

1539
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,620
well several things happened you have

1540
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:42,719
about two hours and I'll tell you no

1541
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:45,840
what happened briefly is that first of

1542
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:48,179
all there was a film

1543
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:52,440
that Maharishi promised The Beatles that

1544
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,320
they could do this documentary film and

1545
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:57,600
he would give them exclusive rights to

1546
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:58,980
do this film

1547
01:12:03,530 --> 01:12:01,080
and they were talking about the film and

1548
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,540
it was going on and on about the film

1549
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:05,760
but meanwhile Maharishi had promised the

1550
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:08,719
same rights to somebody else

1551
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:11,820
previously he had promised the rights to

1552
01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:14,520
Forest our Productions of Hollywood and

1553
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:18,840
maharishi's Main uh his his main officer

1554
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,020
in the United States Charlie Luth showed

1555
01:12:25,610 --> 01:12:24,000
up at the ashram

1556
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:25,620
he was in charge of the spiritual

1557
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:27,480
regeneration movement maharishi's

1558
01:12:32,830 --> 01:12:29,640
organization he showed up the ashram

1559
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:32,840
with a lawyer and with a signed contract

1560
01:12:38,649 --> 01:12:36,120
that gave four-star Productions of

1561
01:12:43,130 --> 01:12:38,659
Hollywood exclusive rights to film

1562
01:12:45,950 --> 01:12:43,140
Maharishi for the next five years

1563
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:45,960
so the Beatles were pretty angry when

1564
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:47,460
they found out about this other film

1565
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:49,800
that was going on behind their back

1566
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:52,520
and one morning early in the morning

1567
01:12:58,669 --> 01:12:55,920
John Lennon is bed-headed and leary-eyed

1568
01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:58,679
he goes to the

1569
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:01,080
to the door of his Bungalow opens up the

1570
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,480
door looks out and what does he see in

1571
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:05,280
the courtyard he sees

1572
01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:09,300
a cameraman and a director who's yelling

1573
01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:10,920
action

1574
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:13,380
so he and George were supposed to be two

1575
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,500
bit players in some other film

1576
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:18,840
so they refused to leave their Bungalow

1577
01:13:21,950 --> 01:13:20,460
they just wouldn't wouldn't go they

1578
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:21,960
wouldn't go to the lecture hall where

1579
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:24,060
the license cameras were set up for the

1580
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:25,020
filming

1581
01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:27,960
and it wasn't long after that that they

1582
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:28,980
left

1583
01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:31,080
that wasn't the only reason that was not

1584
01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:32,460
the only reason but that's one of the

1585
01:13:36,830 --> 01:13:34,739
reasons give me another one but I just

1586
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:36,840
want to say this did the yogi did

1587
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:38,580
Maharishi know

1588
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:41,460
about the agreement I did no he was

1589
01:13:46,610 --> 01:13:44,640
warned and he just ignored it in fact he

1590
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:46,620
said oh

1591
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:49,020
that's fine that we have so many

1592
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:53,580
contracts then uh the glory of gurudev

1593
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:04,370
always Hollywood always Hollywood

1594
01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:08,990
I'm not feeling good about that I'm not

1595
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,340
it feels it feels it feels strange and

1596
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:13,199
if I was the Beatles I I would have been

1597
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,420
upset too yeah well of course they were

1598
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:17,520
upset yeah and what was the other

1599
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:19,140
reasons

1600
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,060
found out that maharashi had made a pass

1601
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:22,560
at one of the one of us there her name

1602
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:24,300
was Roslyn

1603
01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:28,380
heard about this yeah okay

1604
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:30,179
um you can't leave it that short what

1605
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,030
I know of 15 different women the

1606
01:14:42,830 --> 01:14:41,040
Maharishi either had sex with or

1607
01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:42,840
tried to have sex with

1608
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,699
and some of them are people I've known

1609
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:46,920
for 30 years

1610
01:14:51,709 --> 01:14:49,980
or no it's been about 40 or 50 years by

1611
01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:51,719
now it's

1612
01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:53,940
actually 50 years

1613
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:56,040
and and

1614
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,920
you're not that old no I'm not that old

1615
01:15:02,930 --> 01:15:00,480
I was two years old

1616
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:02,940
when I was in India oh that that now

1617
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,520
that we're getting uh into something

1618
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:07,199
believable

1619
01:15:14,590 --> 01:15:11,100
um the the part with this though

1620
01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:14,600
um uh with the Maharishi George

1621
01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:19,260
who was always behind uh Maharishi and

1622
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:21,659
wanted to keep this going with all of

1623
01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:24,960
this other stuff contracts Hollywood

1624
01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:28,020
um I I I guess

1625
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:30,300
um I don't I don't know why I don't want

1626
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:32,219
to say the wrong thing here because I

1627
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,000
wasn't there but these

1628
01:15:40,250 --> 01:15:38,760
Affairs or whatever or making passes at

1629
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:40,260
women

1630
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:43,080
um that didn't bother George George was

1631
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:46,380
okay with with uh continue George was

1632
01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:48,780
not okay Paul was okay with it he didn't

1633
01:15:52,490 --> 01:15:49,620
care

1634
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,500
when John got back from India and Paul

1635
01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:54,960
said well what happened and John said oh

1636
01:16:00,050 --> 01:15:57,300
well you know he's just an old Lech we

1637
01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:00,060
can't go following that quote unquote

1638
01:16:07,490 --> 01:16:02,940
and Paul said well what you know I mean

1639
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:07,500
there's no vow is there there's no

1640
01:16:11,630 --> 01:16:08,880
there's

1641
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:11,640
but then actually there was

1642
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:13,860
the reality is Maharishi called himself

1643
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:17,159
Bal brahmacari what that means is life

1644
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,480
celibate

1645
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:20,640
lifestyle but he called himself that in

1646
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:22,860
fact it's even on his passport

1647
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:25,620
in my book

1648
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:27,780
you see a picture of the passport in the

1649
01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:31,560
book Bob ramachari Mahesh Yogi you know

1650
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,400
so he claimed to be a life celibate

1651
01:16:39,790 --> 01:16:37,679
but he wasn't you know so he was a

1652
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:39,800
hypocrite

1653
01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:43,920
angry about that John was very very

1654
01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:45,960
angry about it he's the one that really

1655
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:47,820
held on to that anger

1656
01:16:51,050 --> 01:16:49,440
you don't have to let it go it didn't

1657
01:16:54,890 --> 01:16:51,060
take long before it's George Let It Go

1658
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:54,900
but I I can I'm waiting for somebody to

1659
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:57,120
comment uh because everybody's thinking

1660
01:17:05,570 --> 01:17:00,840
the same thought that every time you

1661
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:05,580
have a leader of a group of people it

1662
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:07,320
doesn't matter who it is

1663
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:11,640
always gets wrapped up in this type of

1664
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:13,640
controversy I

1665
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:17,760
I don't get it can't can't we just

1666
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:18,780
behave

1667
01:17:23,229 --> 01:17:21,300
I mean not really I don't know guys I

1668
01:17:26,350 --> 01:17:23,239
don't understand guys

1669
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,360
with the guy thing

1670
01:17:31,610 --> 01:17:28,320
oh no

1671
01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:31,620
um but yeah I mean it's I don't think

1672
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:33,900
anybody's surprised with that I mean I

1673
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:37,440
remember hearing about it and I was kind

1674
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:39,960
of like Paul I didn't know that there

1675
01:17:49,790 --> 01:17:46,490
or not he ever took about he claimed to

1676
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:49,800
be a monk he claimed to be

1677
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:52,380
and in fact when he was when Charlie

1678
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:54,780
Luth brought it up to him Mahari said oh

1679
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:56,520
I don't know anything about sensual

1680
01:18:03,470 --> 01:17:59,760
desires you know I'm a monk

1681
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:03,480
um tell that to Roslyn tell that to be a

1682
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:05,820
pharaoh well also he made a pass at Mia

1683
01:18:12,770 --> 01:18:08,580
Pharaoh he made a pass at Rosalind he

1684
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:16,370
a Swiss woman I'm sorry a Swedish woman

1685
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:17,880
who was there when the Beatles were

1686
01:18:23,390 --> 01:18:20,640
there he made a pass at her and in fact

1687
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:23,400
did more than make a pass at her this

1688
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:24,840
was all while the Beatles were there

1689
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,940
during that period of time and then I

1690
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:29,760
know a fourth fourth woman from England

1691
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:33,300
that he did did the same thing

1692
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:36,120
when the Beatles were there

1693
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,060
you would think that he wouldn't have to

1694
01:18:45,770 --> 01:18:42,239
do that you would think yeah all right I

1695
01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:45,780
mean if I mean there must be

1696
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:49,320
uh uh anyway I mean there must be

1697
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:51,239
accessibility that's all I'm saying

1698
01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:54,420
there's got to be uh to get wrapped up

1699
01:18:57,530 --> 01:18:55,560
in that

1700
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,540
um I wanted to talk about Ravi Shanker

1701
01:19:03,890 --> 01:18:59,580
though uh for just a second because

1702
01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:03,900
we've talked about Ravi a lot tonight

1703
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:05,640
um he

1704
01:19:10,430 --> 01:19:08,699
he absolutely

1705
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:10,440
uh blew my mind

1706
01:19:18,649 --> 01:19:13,500
and and I mean it like this

1707
01:19:21,530 --> 01:19:18,659
when you see a guitar player pick up a

1708
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:21,540
sitar and think that he can play it

1709
01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:24,120
because it's got Frets and it's got

1710
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,900
strings and therefore right okay and you

1711
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:30,480
know where I'm going with this yeah and

1712
01:19:37,130 --> 01:19:32,940
then you see Ravi play

1713
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:37,140
uh it's he was

1714
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:40,440
um uh he was a moment in time he was a

1715
01:19:46,250 --> 01:19:44,219
gift from God you know an incredible

1716
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:46,260
player you have Hendricks and you have

1717
01:19:50,330 --> 01:19:47,940
Jimmy Page you have Eric Clapton Jeff

1718
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:50,340
Becker whatever where you watch them

1719
01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:52,440
play and you go okay they yeah they're a

1720
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:55,140
master that Carlos Santana knows what

1721
01:20:00,530 --> 01:19:58,140
he's doing and Ravi Shanker would do

1722
01:20:04,250 --> 01:20:00,540
that to you when he started playing the

1723
01:20:07,070 --> 01:20:04,260
sitar that's how it right right he was

1724
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:07,080
amazing man yeah he was the Jimi Hendrix

1725
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,940
of the sitar wasn't he

1726
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:11,040
he was and he was very well known even

1727
01:20:15,169 --> 01:20:12,480
before the Beatles

1728
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:15,179
ran across him he was already a

1729
01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:18,840
celebrity in India and uh and there was

1730
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:21,540
a lineage he came from the he studied

1731
01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:25,080
with Ali Akbar Khan uh his father

1732
01:20:30,770 --> 01:20:27,900
Aladdin Khan he and Ali Akbar studied

1733
01:20:35,810 --> 01:20:30,780
with Aladdin Khan and there was also a

1734
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:35,820
daughter who was uh Ali Akbar Khan's um

1735
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:39,420
a sister who got married to Ravi Shankar

1736
01:20:46,930 --> 01:20:41,040
they were wed

1737
01:20:53,570 --> 01:20:50,450
he just stands out yes he played at

1738
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:53,580
Woodstock didn't he he did he played it

1739
01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:56,820
with stock with alaraka his uh his

1740
01:21:02,390 --> 01:20:58,620
tablet player

1741
01:21:05,090 --> 01:21:02,400
and with Kamala his lover Robbie's long

1742
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:05,100
time girlfriend because he had the whole

1743
01:21:08,990 --> 01:21:06,480
time he was married

1744
01:21:09,850 --> 01:21:09,000
yeah check this out

1745
01:21:11,810 --> 01:21:09,860
um

1746
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,820
chakravarti what's her name yeah

1747
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,440
somebody just wrote a completely

1748
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:15,360
different animal guitar and sitar are

1749
01:21:20,689 --> 01:21:17,460
not the same thing Robbie absolutely

1750
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:20,699
yeah Ravi was the Jeff Beck of sitar

1751
01:21:27,649 --> 01:21:24,719
yeah there's no question about it yes he

1752
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,659
was very skilled but I have to say that

1753
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:30,239
his wife was more skilled than he was

1754
01:21:36,169 --> 01:21:32,820
is that right he was the one that was

1755
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:36,179
really the master and she taught many

1756
01:21:41,950 --> 01:21:39,480
many musicians that are very famous in

1757
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:41,960
India and uh throughout the world

1758
01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:45,840
including a very famous flautist and

1759
01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:47,940
she she was a master of many many

1760
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,140
instruments

1761
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,560
she embodied her father's Mastery alad

1762
01:21:58,430 --> 01:21:55,199
Khan so there was a little jealousy

1763
01:22:00,669 --> 01:21:58,440
there when Ravi and his wife and that's

1764
01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:00,679
why they didn't really last

1765
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:03,780
I'm really curious because there was a

1766
01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:05,940
lot of musicians it wasn't just the

1767
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:07,140
Beatles

1768
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:11,100
um uh but uh John McLaughlin you know

1769
01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:14,640
and the the of the musicians of the

1770
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:16,380
highest caliber

1771
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:20,580
were suddenly influenced by India India

1772
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:23,820
like Ravi Shanker and it it came like a

1773
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:27,600
wave very quick huge huge wave yeah

1774
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:30,540
yeah The Yardbirds The Kinks

1775
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:33,440
were the first ones

1776
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:36,239
from there yeah yeah it was it was all

1777
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:39,480
over the place and so how did

1778
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,420
um uh the John McLaughlin thing was very

1779
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:45,360
the mahabash no Orchestra right

1780
01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:47,820
um how did the Beatles meet Ravi how did

1781
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:49,380
that happen

1782
01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:52,500
hey well um they were involved with the

1783
01:22:57,610 --> 01:22:55,080
Asian music Circle

1784
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:57,620
because uh

1785
01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:01,199
they needed musicians like for help they

1786
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:03,540
needed Indian musicians and they got

1787
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:06,060
them from George Martin was associated

1788
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:08,340
with the Asian music Circle

1789
01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:11,820
and that's how

1790
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,780
uh George started studying sitar with

1791
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,280
some of the musicians that were in the

1792
01:23:20,990 --> 01:23:19,199
Asian music Circle which is a thing in

1793
01:23:23,630 --> 01:23:21,000
London he was in London

1794
01:23:24,890 --> 01:23:23,640
and uh so he was involved with that for

1795
01:23:28,910 --> 01:23:24,900
quite a while

1796
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,920
and then the angati angadi is the name

1797
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:30,719
of the gentleman who founded the Asian

1798
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:34,440
music Circle and one day he was he

1799
01:23:39,169 --> 01:23:37,260
wanted to get George together with Ravi

1800
01:23:41,570 --> 01:23:39,179
but he wanted to do it in a very

1801
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,580
informal way so he invited both of them

1802
01:23:46,490 --> 01:23:43,440
to dinner

1803
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:46,500
and that's where they met and Paul

1804
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:48,900
showed up too unannounced Paul crashed

1805
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,480
the party so he was there too

1806
01:23:56,209 --> 01:23:54,000
and that's how they met and the media

1807
01:23:58,669 --> 01:23:56,219
there was an immediate connection

1808
01:24:01,250 --> 01:23:58,679
and Ravi was very impressed with the

1809
01:24:03,890 --> 01:24:01,260
sincerity of George and how he really

1810
01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:03,900
really wanted to learn

1811
01:24:11,149 --> 01:24:07,320
and in fact Ravi was more than just a

1812
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:11,159
music teacher to to George he introduced

1813
01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:13,260
him to Indian philosophy he gave him

1814
01:24:17,169 --> 01:24:14,820
books by

1815
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,179
Aviva Cananda

1816
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:19,679
and uh

1817
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:23,280
and so Raja yoga was one of the books

1818
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:24,000
that

1819
01:24:32,689 --> 01:24:28,860
Indian philosophy

1820
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:32,699
so his very very influenced by

1821
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:33,300
um

1822
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:38,040
by Ravi in spirituality and then and

1823
01:24:41,450 --> 01:24:40,560
then after he studied with Ravi for a

1824
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,460
while

1825
01:24:44,990 --> 01:24:43,199
uh

1826
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,000
Patty Boyd

1827
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:47,520
and George went to India to study with

1828
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:49,620
with Robbie

1829
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:53,400
so did the rest of the Beatles uh kiss

1830
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:54,900
and make up

1831
01:25:00,590 --> 01:24:58,140
with with with the Maharishi yeah with

1832
01:25:02,090 --> 01:25:00,600
Maharishi okay so

1833
01:25:04,490 --> 01:25:02,100
um

1834
01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:04,500
yeah John Lennon

1835
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:08,280
it's 1969 December of 1969

1836
01:25:12,649 --> 01:25:10,440
and a friend of mine was in the room

1837
01:25:15,290 --> 01:25:12,659
with Maharishi

1838
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,300
and they were discussing plans for the

1839
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:16,800
next teacher training course and so on

1840
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:19,920
all of a sudden mahershy's secretary

1841
01:25:23,689 --> 01:25:21,780
came barging into the room and said

1842
01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:23,699
Maharishi I have a telegram here very

1843
01:25:29,209 --> 01:25:26,940
important Margie said what it is and the

1844
01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:29,219
secretary said oh it's from John Lennon

1845
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:31,320
Mari she said who

1846
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:33,300
secretary said it's from John Lennon

1847
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:36,900
Maharishi and Mario said who

1848
01:25:42,110 --> 01:25:39,540
and the secretary said John Lennon of

1849
01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:42,120
The Beatles that were here and Maharishi

1850
01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:44,580
stopped

1851
01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:47,219
and turned away from her from the

1852
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:50,520
secretary and said I do not know a John

1853
01:26:01,550 --> 01:25:57,169
what

1854
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:03,350
okay why

1855
01:26:10,010 --> 01:26:07,320
it was mad at him that's why I mean

1856
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:10,020
really because John Lennon was telling

1857
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,040
the Press

1858
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:13,679
that Maharishi is not what he you know

1859
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:17,280
not all he's cracked up to be and he was

1860
01:26:22,910 --> 01:26:19,980
that he was making passes at Mia pharaoh

1861
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:22,920
and he said it impressed you know

1862
01:26:29,169 --> 01:26:26,100
and then George George Harrison okay so

1863
01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:29,179
he tried to make amends with maharashi

1864
01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:32,460
not that he needed to I mean the reality

1865
01:26:36,189 --> 01:26:34,500
is they left because they were

1866
01:26:39,890 --> 01:26:36,199
because

1867
01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:39,900
Maharishi was being hypocritical so they

1868
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:42,360
shouldn't feel guilty but they did so

1869
01:26:47,810 --> 01:26:44,699
our George tried to make amends he tried

1870
01:26:50,209 --> 01:26:47,820
to come back he kept calling Maharishi

1871
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,219
calling maharishi's secretary over and

1872
01:26:54,649 --> 01:26:52,560
over a friend that I know Connie Larson

1873
01:26:57,229 --> 01:26:54,659
from Sweden

1874
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:57,239
um told me about how he was the

1875
01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:00,780
go-between between Maharishi and George

1876
01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:03,960
and uh George kept saying I want to come

1877
01:27:08,330 --> 01:27:06,360
and visit I want to come visit Mars Mars

1878
01:27:10,129 --> 01:27:08,340
she wouldn't even talk to him he refused

1879
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,139
he refused the phone call

1880
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:12,719
he told Connie

1881
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:15,780
um he just nodded the Connie motion to

1882
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,580
Connie to hang up the phone

1883
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:19,679
and then another time when he called he

1884
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,480
called about four times

1885
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:23,760
another time Maharishi gave a message to

1886
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,060
Connie saying tell George that he should

1887
01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:29,280
do Tapas for a year that means

1888
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:30,600
austerities

1889
01:27:37,310 --> 01:27:34,620
you should meditate for a year and then

1890
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,320
and then he can come back and talk to me

1891
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:39,840
whatever but that never happened but

1892
01:27:45,649 --> 01:27:42,960
then eventually he did after George was

1893
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:45,659
diagnosed with cancer and that he

1894
01:27:48,649 --> 01:27:47,159
eventually did have a meeting with

1895
01:27:51,229 --> 01:27:48,659
Maharishi

1896
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:51,239
and so there was some closure during

1897
01:27:56,090 --> 01:27:52,440
that meeting

1898
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:56,100
but uh before John died nothing

1899
01:28:02,270 --> 01:28:00,239
correct nothing uh it was like 1991 I

1900
01:28:05,149 --> 01:28:02,280
believe was when George had that meeting

1901
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:05,159
with Maharishi right right right and and

1902
01:28:11,330 --> 01:28:08,760
Paul Ringo right out no they didn't they

1903
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:11,340
weren't they never had an issue you know

1904
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:13,440
they left because of other reasons and

1905
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:15,300
and I don't think they were well

1906
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,100
actually there is a there is an

1907
01:28:23,090 --> 01:28:20,400
interview where I heard Ringo put

1908
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,100
bashing Maharishi because of yeah

1909
01:28:28,030 --> 01:28:25,199
because of his indiscretions and

1910
01:28:30,649 --> 01:28:28,040
whatever happened over there

1911
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:30,659
right after all of this because it

1912
01:28:36,669 --> 01:28:34,800
everything happened so quickly

1913
01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:36,679
um

1914
01:28:43,129 --> 01:28:40,980
once once the recording stopped

1915
01:28:45,649 --> 01:28:43,139
um that that was it the Beatles never

1916
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:45,659
really got back together right they

1917
01:28:50,990 --> 01:28:47,580
played on the top of Apple records right

1918
01:28:53,629 --> 01:28:51,000
yeah yeah and that was it that was it

1919
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:53,639
yeah but they had solo careers that were

1920
01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:57,120
very successful Paul George Ringo John

1921
01:29:01,729 --> 01:29:01,020
they all had great solo careers

1922
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,739
um

1923
01:29:08,570 --> 01:29:04,400
right very prolific

1924
01:29:11,570 --> 01:29:08,580
and and and going back to this do you

1925
01:29:13,149 --> 01:29:11,580
feel uh you know at the breakup when

1926
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:13,159
they finished

1927
01:29:19,129 --> 01:29:17,280
uh recording I I think the attitude was

1928
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:19,139
okay you know I'll see it you know we'll

1929
01:29:22,010 --> 01:29:20,580
all see each other in a couple of weeks

1930
01:29:24,050 --> 01:29:22,020
right they were taking a little bit of a

1931
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,060
break do you think that they actually

1932
01:29:28,930 --> 01:29:26,940
knew that that was the end

1933
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:28,940
oh I can't read that much

1934
01:29:36,890 --> 01:29:33,420
I'm saying though I mean because

1935
01:29:39,709 --> 01:29:36,900
um I I just think it was unexpected

1936
01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:39,719
um I that they didn't uh get back

1937
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,460
together Brian Epstein had a lot to do

1938
01:29:46,669 --> 01:29:43,440
with that too as well I think that he

1939
01:29:47,930 --> 01:29:46,679
was the glue yeah he was a lot of the

1940
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:47,940
glue

1941
01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:49,280
it's going in different directions

1942
01:29:55,310 --> 01:29:51,900
especially George he like I said his

1943
01:29:57,530 --> 01:29:55,320
heart wasn't into into it even back when

1944
01:29:59,090 --> 01:29:57,540
they were doing Sergeant Pepper that

1945
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:59,100
early on

1946
01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:01,199
you had already given his heart to end

1947
01:30:07,070 --> 01:30:04,260
it he was really into India

1948
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,080
and after he left Maharishi went on to

1949
01:30:11,870 --> 01:30:09,600
be with prabhupada with bhaktivadanta

1950
01:30:13,790 --> 01:30:11,880
prabhupada who was the founder of iscon

1951
01:30:15,169 --> 01:30:13,800
the international Society for Krishna

1952
01:30:18,169 --> 01:30:15,179
consciousness

1953
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:18,179
and George got involved with that

1954
01:30:24,350 --> 01:30:22,020
and involved with his own career he he

1955
01:30:27,310 --> 01:30:24,360
wanted to make music and he didn't want

1956
01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:27,320
content contentious experience he wanted

1957
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,360
harmonious experiences of making music

1958
01:30:42,110 --> 01:30:32,639
which is what he created with his solo

1959
01:30:46,910 --> 01:30:44,810
um I was looking over uh your notes uh

1960
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:46,920
for this and there was

1961
01:30:54,290 --> 01:30:50,760
um a couple of things that uh I wanted

1962
01:30:59,330 --> 01:30:54,300
to go back and touch upon which was Dear

1963
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,340
Prudence yes uh who was Dear Prudence uh

1964
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:01,440
Prudence Pharaoh that was MIA farrow's

1965
01:31:06,830 --> 01:31:04,380
sister who had always lived in kind of

1966
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:06,840
the shadow of her sister's glorious Fame

1967
01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:09,360
and was very jealous of her sister and

1968
01:31:13,490 --> 01:31:10,260
so on

1969
01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:13,500
and um their Prudence she was really

1970
01:31:17,450 --> 01:31:15,719
into Transcendental Meditation she was

1971
01:31:19,850 --> 01:31:17,460
very serious about it

1972
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,860
and she first told her sister about it

1973
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:21,840
who wasn't really very interested but

1974
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:24,600
then once the Beatles got into it Mia

1975
01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:26,940
became interested in it also

1976
01:31:34,189 --> 01:31:30,900
and so she talked uh

1977
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,199
to Maharishi on the phone and made

1978
01:31:39,770 --> 01:31:36,480
arrangements to go to India to study

1979
01:31:42,590 --> 01:31:39,780
with him in rishikesh on the course

1980
01:31:45,229 --> 01:31:42,600
and so they were both in India and

1981
01:31:46,970 --> 01:31:45,239
Prudence was really into this whole

1982
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:46,980
silence thing let's go into the room

1983
01:31:52,250 --> 01:31:49,620
let's be silent let's let's meditate 20

1984
01:31:55,129 --> 01:31:52,260
hours a day you know and that's what she

1985
01:31:58,610 --> 01:31:55,139
was doing but unfortunately Prudence had

1986
01:32:01,250 --> 01:31:58,620
had a history of drug abuse

1987
01:32:03,890 --> 01:32:01,260
she had been a drug addict and also

1988
01:32:06,050 --> 01:32:03,900
alcoholic as a teenager

1989
01:32:09,229 --> 01:32:06,060
she came from a famous family you know

1990
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:09,239
the Pharaohs John farro and Maureen

1991
01:32:14,209 --> 01:32:12,420
O'Sullivan was her mom and they were a

1992
01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:14,219
famous director famous actress mother

1993
01:32:20,450 --> 01:32:17,460
who was they were absent basically

1994
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,460
and so her childhood was a bit difficult

1995
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:22,320
and

1996
01:32:30,350 --> 01:32:26,940
psychiatric treatment

1997
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,360
and she had had some psychotic episodes

1998
01:32:35,570 --> 01:32:32,639
and unfortunately when she went to India

1999
01:32:40,430 --> 01:32:35,580
she had another psychotic episode

2000
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:40,440
but amazingly miraculously it it was

2001
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:43,679
very severe but amazingly within a very

2002
01:32:49,129 --> 01:32:46,159
short time of just like three weeks

2003
01:32:52,490 --> 01:32:49,139
Maharishi brought her back from that

2004
01:32:54,590 --> 01:32:52,500
state and she was at the very end of the

2005
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:54,600
course she was happy you know outgoing

2006
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:57,360
smiling having you know having a lovely

2007
01:33:01,070 --> 01:32:58,800
conversations with people whereas before

2008
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:01,080
she couldn't even recognize anyone it

2009
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:03,120
was it was a devastating thing that you

2010
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:04,260
went through

2011
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:07,440
during that period of time uh while the

2012
01:33:13,209 --> 01:33:09,360
Beatles were there with her Maharishi

2013
01:33:15,649 --> 01:33:13,219
put the Beatles into a uh into a little

2014
01:33:18,169 --> 01:33:15,659
Discussion Group she was in a little

2015
01:33:20,090 --> 01:33:18,179
group with George and John

2016
01:33:22,850 --> 01:33:20,100
and um

2017
01:33:25,550 --> 01:33:22,860
and Maharishi wanted them to look out

2018
01:33:27,290 --> 01:33:25,560
for her and so then when she went into

2019
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:27,300
this silence and she wouldn't come out

2020
01:33:31,550 --> 01:33:28,860
of her room and no one could get her out

2021
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:31,560
and she was like in a catatonic State

2022
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:35,760
and Maharishi was uh was just asked John

2023
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:37,860
and George she'll get to look after her

2024
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:40,560
for a while uh he asked him to do that

2025
01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:41,520
and

2026
01:33:46,129 --> 01:33:43,800
John wrote this song Dear Prudence won't

2027
01:33:48,590 --> 01:33:46,139
you come out to play you know come out

2028
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:48,600
come out of your room come out to play

2029
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:52,320
greet the brand new day so uh he wrote

2030
01:33:57,709 --> 01:33:55,520
that song for prudence and

2031
01:33:59,689 --> 01:33:57,719
they didn't actually sing it to her

2032
01:34:02,390 --> 01:33:59,699
people think that they sang it to her

2033
01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:02,400
during the time they did burst into a

2034
01:34:07,550 --> 01:34:05,400
room one time and saying Obladi Oblada

2035
01:34:10,430 --> 01:34:07,560
and they sang Sergeant Pepper

2036
01:34:12,649 --> 01:34:10,440
song but they didn't sing that song but

2037
01:34:14,450 --> 01:34:12,659
right before George was leaving he left

2038
01:34:17,629 --> 01:34:14,460
Prudence a note

2039
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:17,639
and and the note it said that John had

2040
01:34:21,770 --> 01:34:19,920
written a song about her so she was

2041
01:34:25,250 --> 01:34:21,780
waiting for that song and finally it

2042
01:34:27,530 --> 01:34:25,260
came out and and uh so her mom played it

2043
01:34:28,729 --> 01:34:27,540
for her she was so relieved because she

2044
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:28,739
was afraid that it was going to be

2045
01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:31,199
making fun of her but she loved the song

2046
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:32,760
she thought that's a great song it's a

2047
01:34:38,810 --> 01:34:35,760
great song but he wrote that in India in

2048
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:38,820
India not during the studio uh he wrote

2049
01:34:44,090 --> 01:34:42,239
it in India wow and it it takes on a

2050
01:34:47,689 --> 01:34:44,100
whole nother light now I never knew

2051
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,699
about this isolation thing yeah no I uh

2052
01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:49,920
that's the first

2053
01:34:55,490 --> 01:34:53,580
um I and I I'm very impressed that the

2054
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:55,500
beetle I mean when you think about who

2055
01:34:59,870 --> 01:34:57,440
they were you know

2056
01:35:03,950 --> 01:34:59,880
who's more famous Than the Beatles back

2057
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:03,960
then Elvis maybe right I mean no one was

2058
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:05,760
more famous Than the Beatles then nobody

2059
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:07,920
nobody nobody and so for them to have

2060
01:35:16,910 --> 01:35:12,719
that kind of discipline to allow uh that

2061
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:16,920
kind of uh teaching uh and and to to go

2062
01:35:22,610 --> 01:35:19,139
along I'm very surprised

2063
01:35:25,310 --> 01:35:22,620
but now thinking of the words and the

2064
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,320
lyrics uh to Dear Prudence so it's a

2065
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:27,600
whole different song to me yeah this

2066
01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:30,060
book uh this book is told

2067
01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:32,100
uh through the songs

2068
01:35:37,310 --> 01:35:34,980
so the chapters are songs

2069
01:35:39,890 --> 01:35:37,320
and then I explain the meanings of the

2070
01:35:42,770 --> 01:35:39,900
lyrics and the music and the musicians

2071
01:35:46,330 --> 01:35:42,780
and everything so so the book is this

2072
01:35:50,750 --> 01:35:46,340
thick I started very thick yeah

2073
01:35:53,770 --> 01:35:50,760
it's got 512 pages and that's 950

2074
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:57,050
it's no joke it's no joke it's

2075
01:36:01,790 --> 01:35:58,980
encyclopedia

2076
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,800
um there is by the way I just want to

2077
01:36:07,790 --> 01:36:04,560
let everybody know

2078
01:36:09,470 --> 01:36:07,800
um and Susan you're gonna love this

2079
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:09,480
um I I think you're gonna love it

2080
01:36:15,370 --> 01:36:13,320
there's a new animated series out on

2081
01:36:19,850 --> 01:36:15,380
Netflix called

2082
01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:19,860
agent Elvis have you heard about it no

2083
01:36:26,930 --> 01:36:23,100
that sounds great hear me out

2084
01:36:29,090 --> 01:36:26,940
it was created by Priscilla

2085
01:36:34,430 --> 01:36:29,100
and Priscilla

2086
01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:34,440
voices her own character in this he's

2087
01:36:38,570 --> 01:36:37,560
Elvis the secret agent he's Elvis the

2088
01:36:41,689 --> 01:36:38,580
singer

2089
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,699
but um and for the first time I don't

2090
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:43,440
think this has ever happened before it's

2091
01:36:47,930 --> 01:36:46,320
because of you know Priscilla created uh

2092
01:36:50,570 --> 01:36:47,940
this series

2093
01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:50,580
um it's adult themed

2094
01:36:55,129 --> 01:36:53,820
lots of drugs lots of foul language lots

2095
01:36:58,430 --> 01:36:55,139
of partying

2096
01:36:59,930 --> 01:36:58,440
um it's it's funny it's for adults it's

2097
01:37:01,250 --> 01:36:59,940
not for kids

2098
01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:01,260
um but

2099
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:03,300
here's the trip

2100
01:37:12,050 --> 01:37:08,340
there's a whole just like two episodes

2101
01:37:16,490 --> 01:37:12,060
of The Beatles and Elvis

2102
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:16,500
and acid and those albums oh my goodness

2103
01:37:20,530 --> 01:37:19,020
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah go Timothy

2104
01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:20,540
Leary's in there

2105
01:37:23,530 --> 01:37:22,440
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

2106
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:23,540
yeah

2107
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:26,639
go and watch it

2108
01:37:32,270 --> 01:37:29,280
um I was uh you know I was so excited to

2109
01:37:34,490 --> 01:37:32,280
uh do the show today I'm watching this

2110
01:37:36,830 --> 01:37:34,500
over the weekend I'm like man Susan is

2111
01:37:39,709 --> 01:37:36,840
God was going to call you

2112
01:37:42,110 --> 01:37:39,719
um but uh it's called Agent Elvis and it

2113
01:37:46,010 --> 01:37:42,120
is it's amazing it's 10 episodes that

2114
01:37:47,870 --> 01:37:46,020
sounds fun oh it's it's I'm Elvis it's

2115
01:37:51,290 --> 01:37:47,880
for adults I'm just telling you right

2116
01:37:53,570 --> 01:37:51,300
now if you can't handle adult stuff it

2117
01:37:54,830 --> 01:37:53,580
ain't for you I'm just speaking to the

2118
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:54,840
audience

2119
01:38:02,330 --> 01:37:58,020
um but uh it is it is spot on the money

2120
01:38:07,550 --> 01:38:02,340
so Priscilla and Elvis drop a couple of

2121
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:07,560
sugar cubes okay and and Priscilla is um

2122
01:38:13,550 --> 01:38:10,440
just imagine this Priscilla is voice

2123
01:38:17,530 --> 01:38:13,560
it's Priscilla Presley and she agree and

2124
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:17,540
so she's watching TV on acid

2125
01:38:22,970 --> 01:38:20,639
and Paul McCartney

2126
01:38:25,090 --> 01:38:22,980
comes out it's the Yellow Submarine

2127
01:38:28,010 --> 01:38:25,100
cartoon right you remember that

2128
01:38:29,330 --> 01:38:28,020
wonderful yeah yeah and Paul comes out

2129
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,340
of the TV

2130
01:38:33,790 --> 01:38:31,440
and starts hanging out with her and

2131
01:38:36,169 --> 01:38:33,800
talking to her about the Beatles and and

2132
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:36,179
psychedelics and what it's like to

2133
01:38:40,910 --> 01:38:39,120
expand your mind and and this is what

2134
01:38:44,270 --> 01:38:40,920
the Beatles are all about you can go and

2135
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:44,280
watch it it's tremendous it's uh that's

2136
01:38:47,930 --> 01:38:46,080
really cool yeah it's it's 10 episodes

2137
01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:47,940
and then here we are talking about all

2138
01:38:54,290 --> 01:38:51,719
of this tonight and uh it it it's in

2139
01:38:58,129 --> 01:38:54,300
this new uh TV series so it's called

2140
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:58,139
Agent Elvis but what about Bungalow bill

2141
01:39:05,090 --> 01:39:01,320
okay Bungalow bill uh yeah so there was

2142
01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:05,100
a woman named Nancy uh Fisher Nancy D

2143
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:06,840
Herrera

2144
01:39:13,870 --> 01:39:09,060
um anyway

2145
01:39:16,370 --> 01:39:13,880
she has a son named Rick and he came to

2146
01:39:18,050 --> 01:39:16,380
India to visit her she was taking the

2147
01:39:19,310 --> 01:39:18,060
teacher training course there when the

2148
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:19,320
Beatles were there

2149
01:39:24,050 --> 01:39:22,320
and her son Rick came to do uh hunting

2150
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:24,060
he didn't come to take the course he

2151
01:39:27,950 --> 01:39:25,920
came he brought his rifle brought his

2152
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:27,960
rifle and his gun I mean listen to what

2153
01:39:32,689 --> 01:39:30,000
I'm saying think about the lyrics of

2154
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,699
that song so he came with his rifle and

2155
01:39:38,930 --> 01:39:34,320
he always brought his mom he brought his

2156
01:39:41,810 --> 01:39:38,940
mom to go uh hunting with him

2157
01:39:44,990 --> 01:39:41,820
so they went on a safari

2158
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:45,000
safaris these days are you go and look

2159
01:39:48,770 --> 01:39:47,340
at animals well as far as Baghdad you go

2160
01:39:51,890 --> 01:39:48,780
and kill animals and bring back

2161
01:39:53,209 --> 01:39:51,900
Taxidermy from India so that's what he

2162
01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:53,219
was doing

2163
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:56,760
so they went to the

2164
01:39:59,090 --> 01:39:57,600
um

2165
01:40:02,689 --> 01:39:59,100
to the

2166
01:40:04,189 --> 01:40:02,699
the hunt the Safari and they were up on

2167
01:40:05,649 --> 01:40:04,199
elephants

2168
01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:05,659
and

2169
01:40:11,450 --> 01:40:08,760
they got off on their from the elephant

2170
01:40:13,370 --> 01:40:11,460
onto the platform up in the tree

2171
01:40:15,370 --> 01:40:13,380
the tiger came

2172
01:40:19,129 --> 01:40:15,380
they they

2173
01:40:21,649 --> 01:40:19,139
would draw the tigers into the

2174
01:40:25,550 --> 01:40:21,659
where the Kill Zone was

2175
01:40:27,950 --> 01:40:25,560
so the tiger came and he shot the Tiger

2176
01:40:30,169 --> 01:40:27,960
and then when they were done with that

2177
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,179
they went back to the ashram to tell

2178
01:40:36,110 --> 01:40:32,880
Maharishi of their exploits and actually

2179
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:36,120
believed that this Hindu vegetarian Yogi

2180
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,400
was going to be was going to want to

2181
01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:41,760
hear about them killing a tiger

2182
01:40:46,189 --> 01:40:44,520
so they they went to tell Maharishi

2183
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,199
about it and John Lennon would happen to

2184
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,000
be in the room at the same time with

2185
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:49,440
some other Beatles

2186
01:40:56,930 --> 01:40:53,940
and so Maharishi was just glaring at

2187
01:40:59,930 --> 01:40:56,940
Nancy as Nancy Jackson who was telling

2188
01:41:02,689 --> 01:40:59,940
the story about

2189
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:02,699
um about the kill the tiger kill

2190
01:41:09,709 --> 01:41:06,420
and maharashi was glaring and and uh and

2191
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:09,719
Young Rick said Maharishi

2192
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:12,780
was this something I shouldn't have done

2193
01:41:17,689 --> 01:41:15,840
whatever she said well you know do you

2194
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:17,699
think you'll ever kill a tiger again and

2195
01:41:22,610 --> 01:41:20,400
he said no and John Lennon chimed in

2196
01:41:24,290 --> 01:41:22,620
chimed in and he said well don't you

2197
01:41:25,610 --> 01:41:24,300
think that's a little bit life

2198
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:25,620
destructive

2199
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:27,540
which is very interesting that he said

2200
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:29,340
that phrase because it was a phrase that

2201
01:41:34,370 --> 01:41:32,159
Maharishi used to use all the time

2202
01:41:36,830 --> 01:41:34,380
he would he used to talk a lot about

2203
01:41:38,689 --> 01:41:36,840
life destructive actions and life

2204
01:41:41,570 --> 01:41:38,699
supportive actions

2205
01:41:43,250 --> 01:41:41,580
and so at the time obviously John was

2206
01:41:44,930 --> 01:41:43,260
very much under maharishi's influence

2207
01:41:47,689 --> 01:41:44,940
because he said

2208
01:41:49,850 --> 01:41:47,699
don't you think that's life destructive

2209
01:41:52,010 --> 01:41:49,860
so that's Bungalow bill and if you

2210
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:52,020
listen to the lyrics everything that I

2211
01:41:56,990 --> 01:41:53,280
said is in there

2212
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:57,000
all the details what about Sexy Sadie

2213
01:42:03,229 --> 01:42:00,719
okay so when John and George are about

2214
01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:03,239
to leave India in a big Huff

2215
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,340
they were

2216
01:42:10,490 --> 01:42:07,920
waiting for the taxis to come

2217
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,500
and as they were sitting there at the

2218
01:42:13,090 --> 01:42:12,239
dining table waiting for the taxis to

2219
01:42:15,649 --> 01:42:13,100
come

2220
01:42:18,050 --> 01:42:15,659
John created a song

2221
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:18,060
and it was called Maharishi Maharishi

2222
01:42:20,990 --> 01:42:19,619
what have you done you made a fool of

2223
01:42:23,149 --> 01:42:21,000
everyone

2224
01:42:24,490 --> 01:42:23,159
so he wrote this complete song about

2225
01:42:27,649 --> 01:42:24,500
Maharishi

2226
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:27,659
and later George said you can't say that

2227
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:29,520
are you kidding

2228
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:32,340
you know let's let's call it something

2229
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:34,800
else something like you know sexy sadhu

2230
01:42:42,050 --> 01:42:38,639
sexy Sadie something but not Maharishi

2231
01:42:43,870 --> 01:42:42,060
so that's how that came about it what

2232
01:42:46,669 --> 01:42:43,880
because it rhymed

2233
01:42:48,830 --> 01:42:46,679
I'm not sure why they call it sexy City

2234
01:42:50,930 --> 01:42:48,840
but I like to think it's because it was

2235
01:42:52,729 --> 01:42:50,940
a sexy sadhu I think maybe they might

2236
01:42:54,169 --> 01:42:52,739
have gotten that from sadhu you know

2237
01:42:54,850 --> 01:42:54,179
sexy sadhu

2238
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:54,860
yeah

2239
01:43:02,930 --> 01:42:58,080
is a monk from India

2240
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,940
sexy sadhu yeah but I don't know

2241
01:43:05,570 --> 01:43:04,560
that's just something I may have been my

2242
01:43:09,410 --> 01:43:05,580
mind

2243
01:43:11,570 --> 01:43:09,420
I do but George is the one who gave it

2244
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:11,580
the title Sexy Sadie

2245
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:15,840
the um uh the

2246
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:19,920
the influence of India on the Beatles I

2247
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:22,080
think uh that influence cannot be

2248
01:43:27,410 --> 01:43:23,040
measured

2249
01:43:30,350 --> 01:43:27,420
but what about but what about you

2250
01:43:33,470 --> 01:43:30,360
what about you because you spent uh 20

2251
01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:33,480
years do you still practice TM no I

2252
01:43:36,770 --> 01:43:35,219
stopped practicing TM when I found

2253
01:43:38,570 --> 01:43:36,780
another meditation that I liked better

2254
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,580
and then I started writing books about

2255
01:43:42,169 --> 01:43:40,800
it

2256
01:43:45,410 --> 01:43:42,179
um

2257
01:43:46,669 --> 01:43:45,420
was it uh was it the Maharishi why did

2258
01:43:49,729 --> 01:43:46,679
you stop

2259
01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:49,739
oh I loved Transcendental Meditation I I

2260
01:43:54,649 --> 01:43:52,260
always had fantastic experiences with TM

2261
01:43:56,930 --> 01:43:54,659
I think it's a fantastic great technique

2262
01:43:58,970 --> 01:43:56,940
it's just I found another technique that

2263
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,980
I liked more I learned it from someone

2264
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,199
else and then I wrote this book divine

2265
01:44:05,810 --> 01:44:03,360
revelation which was my first book which

2266
01:44:09,709 --> 01:44:05,820
was published by Simon and Schuster with

2267
01:44:11,390 --> 01:44:09,719
great miracle that happened and then you

2268
01:44:14,209 --> 01:44:11,400
know I've written 20 other books in

2269
01:44:17,090 --> 01:44:14,219
English and I've done 39 foreign

2270
01:44:21,410 --> 01:44:17,100
editions and this book Maharishi and me

2271
01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:21,420
has won 13 book awards by itself

2272
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,600
um what did you think of John's comments

2273
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,119
about the Maharishi uh you know I I

2274
01:44:34,609 --> 01:44:30,000
obviously this is controversial but uh

2275
01:44:36,830 --> 01:44:34,619
for him not being who he says he is

2276
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:36,840
um what do you make of those comments

2277
01:44:46,370 --> 01:44:39,060
and and why do you that's true he wasn't

2278
01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:48,290
he wasn't a pedophile that I'm aware of

2279
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,179
but he was having sex consensual sex

2280
01:44:55,609 --> 01:44:53,520
with women and some of them you know

2281
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,619
it's there's a gray area when it comes

2282
01:45:00,109 --> 01:44:57,600
to consensual when you're dealing with

2283
01:45:02,450 --> 01:45:00,119
someone who is supposed to be like a god

2284
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,460
you know who you kind of worship like a

2285
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,560
God and portrays himself to be this

2286
01:45:08,510 --> 01:45:06,960
incredible spiritual master and you

2287
01:45:10,430 --> 01:45:08,520
think well I guess I better go along

2288
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,440
with this I mean

2289
01:45:14,030 --> 01:45:12,239
is that really consensual you know

2290
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,040
there's a question about that

2291
01:45:18,830 --> 01:45:16,320
and a very close friend of mine who was

2292
01:45:21,410 --> 01:45:18,840
with me in India and who whom I've known

2293
01:45:23,090 --> 01:45:21,420
for 50 years Judith bork she wrote a

2294
01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:23,100
book called

2295
01:45:29,330 --> 01:45:26,760
um Robes of silk feet of clay and in

2296
01:45:31,850 --> 01:45:29,340
that book the whole book is about her

2297
01:45:34,010 --> 01:45:31,860
love affair with Maharishi and she had

2298
01:45:36,770 --> 01:45:34,020
sex with him when I was right there the

2299
01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:36,780
same time that I was there in India with

2300
01:45:42,290 --> 01:45:40,020
her and afterwards because we stayed on

2301
01:45:43,729 --> 01:45:42,300
after our course we were there for about

2302
01:45:45,229 --> 01:45:43,739
six months and she was one of the

2303
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:45,239
handful of people that was there with

2304
01:45:51,050 --> 01:45:48,480
Maharishi alone and uh that was going on

2305
01:45:55,729 --> 01:45:51,060
right at that time with him

2306
01:45:57,290 --> 01:45:55,739
so why why does that I mean it doesn't

2307
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:57,300
affect TM

2308
01:46:02,930 --> 01:46:00,239
no right it doesn't affect the process I

2309
01:46:06,350 --> 01:46:02,940
mean why

2310
01:46:09,229 --> 01:46:06,360
um why it matters if you're lying about

2311
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,239
it right if you say that you're claiming

2312
01:46:14,270 --> 01:46:11,280
to be somebody and then you turn around

2313
01:46:15,709 --> 01:46:14,280
and do the opposite of that but if he

2314
01:46:19,790 --> 01:46:15,719
would have just

2315
01:46:22,430 --> 01:46:19,800
been a ladies man from the very get-go

2316
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:22,440
then none of this would matter right it

2317
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:24,840
it's the fact that he's misrepresenting

2318
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:29,280
himself I think so um yeah I mean that

2319
01:46:32,810 --> 01:46:31,920
leaves a bad taste and people's mouths I

2320
01:46:36,169 --> 01:46:32,820
think

2321
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:36,179
certainly did with John and George and

2322
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:39,060
George is very devastated by it because

2323
01:46:44,050 --> 01:46:41,040
he had placed so much of his hopes in

2324
01:46:46,729 --> 01:46:44,060
maharaji and and John was

2325
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:46,739
extremely angry

2326
01:46:50,689 --> 01:46:47,840
um

2327
01:46:52,189 --> 01:46:50,699
what happened to the ashram

2328
01:46:55,129 --> 01:46:52,199
um after that

2329
01:46:56,689 --> 01:46:55,139
after the controversy well if it wasn't

2330
01:46:58,669 --> 01:46:56,699
too long after that that the course

2331
01:47:02,629 --> 01:46:58,679
moved to Cashmere

2332
01:47:04,010 --> 01:47:02,639
but a very uh another friend of mine who

2333
01:47:08,330 --> 01:47:04,020
was there at the time

2334
01:47:10,669 --> 01:47:08,340
he told me that Maharishi was devastated

2335
01:47:13,550 --> 01:47:10,679
he said that Maharishi was like gray and

2336
01:47:18,169 --> 01:47:13,560
Ashen and he no longer had the this kind

2337
01:47:21,169 --> 01:47:18,179
of vivacious incredible yogic shine this

2338
01:47:24,169 --> 01:47:21,179
Brilliance that he was so well known for

2339
01:47:26,450 --> 01:47:24,179
he was such a charismatic incredible

2340
01:47:29,530 --> 01:47:26,460
individual I've never met anyone like

2341
01:47:33,050 --> 01:47:29,540
him he was so amazing

2342
01:47:34,729 --> 01:47:33,060
and uh and when the Beatles left it was

2343
01:47:35,570 --> 01:47:34,739
just like all the life drained out of

2344
01:47:39,290 --> 01:47:35,580
him

2345
01:47:41,149 --> 01:47:39,300
and that friend who

2346
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:41,159
um who was from England

2347
01:47:46,129 --> 01:47:43,440
when he had his exit interview with

2348
01:47:47,209 --> 01:47:46,139
Maharishi right before he left the

2349
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:47,219
course

2350
01:47:49,970 --> 01:47:48,960
Maharishi asked him do you know the

2351
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:49,980
Beatles

2352
01:47:54,350 --> 01:47:52,800
and he said yes I mean not really

2353
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:54,360
knowing what maharashi was asking

2354
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:55,920
obviously he knew the Beatles because

2355
01:48:00,530 --> 01:47:57,600
they were there with him in India he

2356
01:48:01,550 --> 01:48:00,540
knew them from being with with them in

2357
01:48:04,729 --> 01:48:01,560
India

2358
01:48:07,850 --> 01:48:04,739
so he said yes and Maharishi said

2359
01:48:10,189 --> 01:48:07,860
well if you see them in Liverpool

2360
01:48:13,310 --> 01:48:10,199
tell John

2361
01:48:17,090 --> 01:48:13,320
that I want him to come back to me

2362
01:48:20,030 --> 01:48:17,100
and it really made my friend cry you

2363
01:48:22,669 --> 01:48:20,040
know he was very saddened that Maharishi

2364
01:48:25,609 --> 01:48:22,679
had been hurt so deeply

2365
01:48:32,270 --> 01:48:29,689
and John at that point the Maharishi I

2366
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:32,280
mean to John was just a canceled check

2367
01:48:37,450 --> 01:48:34,679
right I mean he's he's moved on he's

2368
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:37,460
completely gone uh in another Direction

2369
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:40,320
and there is a you know somebody like

2370
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:43,380
that you know a big personality

2371
01:48:48,350 --> 01:48:45,780
um and no matter what he learned in

2372
01:48:51,290 --> 01:48:48,360
India but once you do that with somebody

2373
01:48:53,810 --> 01:48:51,300
like you know John that's it there I

2374
01:48:55,550 --> 01:48:53,820
don't think there is repairing I don't

2375
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:55,560
think it's even possible

2376
01:48:59,930 --> 01:48:57,780
well he did want to come back and

2377
01:49:02,330 --> 01:48:59,940
and there is evidence that he was there

2378
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:02,340
in December it's it's part of history

2379
01:49:07,609 --> 01:49:06,000
that he was in Delhi at that time that I

2380
01:49:09,770 --> 01:49:07,619
heard the story about him trying to come

2381
01:49:12,169 --> 01:49:09,780
back to the ashram to visit Maharishi

2382
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:12,179
but you know many people believe that

2383
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,760
the reason why John and George left is

2384
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:17,040
because John wanted to get it get it get

2385
01:49:24,350 --> 01:49:23,030
he was waiting he was that's every Okay

2386
01:49:26,750 --> 01:49:24,360
so

2387
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,760
Cynthia Lennon was really looking

2388
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:28,800
forward to having a second honeymoon in

2389
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:30,719
India she thought it was going to be

2390
01:49:35,570 --> 01:49:33,600
this great romantic thing but John only

2391
01:49:37,790 --> 01:49:35,580
stayed in the room with her for about a

2392
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:37,800
week or two and then he left the room

2393
01:49:42,830 --> 01:49:40,800
and got a room all his own and once he

2394
01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:42,840
was on his own he would Revel in

2395
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:44,760
telegrams and letters and Yoko oh no

2396
01:49:48,890 --> 01:49:46,320
every day

2397
01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:48,900
and he was just thinking about her the

2398
01:49:51,709 --> 01:49:50,040
whole time

2399
01:49:56,450 --> 01:49:51,719
that he was in India

2400
01:49:58,129 --> 01:49:56,460
have you ever seen uh the video

2401
01:50:00,050 --> 01:49:58,139
I'm just gonna bring this up I have to

2402
01:50:02,689 --> 01:50:00,060
we're talking about Yoko have you ever

2403
01:50:05,870 --> 01:50:02,699
seen the video of Frank Zappa

2404
01:50:08,689 --> 01:50:05,880
with John Lennon and Yoko singing back

2405
01:50:11,629 --> 01:50:08,699
of vocals have you ever seen that nobody

2406
01:50:13,390 --> 01:50:11,639
I can't imagine what it was like okay

2407
01:50:16,990 --> 01:50:13,400
you're singing it must have been awful

2408
01:50:19,490 --> 01:50:17,000
is it like animal screens

2409
01:50:21,410 --> 01:50:19,500
I have heard her sing with the animal

2410
01:50:25,070 --> 01:50:21,420
screams yeah but I don't think I saw one

2411
01:50:29,229 --> 01:50:25,080
with Frank Zappa man man I think there's

2412
01:50:31,870 --> 01:50:29,239
another one is it Chuck Berry

2413
01:50:35,149 --> 01:50:31,880
Chuck Berry I think it's Chuck Berry

2414
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,159
with John Lennon and Yoko starts doing

2415
01:50:40,970 --> 01:50:38,400
in the background and check I think it's

2416
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:40,980
Chuck I don't want to be right they're

2417
01:50:46,490 --> 01:50:44,159
like doing Johnny Be Good right okay and

2418
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,500
uh you know the The Beatles covered that

2419
01:50:52,669 --> 01:50:48,960
you know for years and

2420
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:52,679
um uh and and Chuck turns around and

2421
01:50:57,229 --> 01:50:55,440
looks at Yoko if you don't want Chuck

2422
01:50:59,770 --> 01:50:57,239
Berry to give you that look that's the

2423
01:51:02,270 --> 01:50:59,780
guy that you don't want to look from

2424
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:02,280
Zappa just kind of put up with it yeah

2425
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:04,080
okay

2426
01:51:10,970 --> 01:51:08,280
but um uh yeah yeah why why did I bring

2427
01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:10,980
that up oh oh so

2428
01:51:14,570 --> 01:51:13,380
um I kind of want to uh end the show on

2429
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:14,580
this even though we're talking about

2430
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:16,320
India

2431
01:51:21,050 --> 01:51:18,239
um and I wanted to talk about where you

2432
01:51:23,229 --> 01:51:21,060
were today uh with your side of TM but

2433
01:51:25,070 --> 01:51:23,239
here's the thing

2434
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:25,080
John

2435
01:51:30,169 --> 01:51:28,080
had a UFO sighting in New York City

2436
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,179
and when

2437
01:51:35,450 --> 01:51:32,639
um uh when he talks about this and he

2438
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:35,460
was on the top of a building and he's

2439
01:51:40,910 --> 01:51:38,880
looking out over Manhattan and he's he's

2440
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,920
a flying saucer right and it's lit up

2441
01:51:44,510 --> 01:51:42,719
and he goes public with it and talks

2442
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:44,520
about it

2443
01:51:50,689 --> 01:51:47,760
um did you what did you think when when

2444
01:51:53,209 --> 01:51:50,699
John went public about that and it was

2445
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:53,219
pretty controversial at the time and it

2446
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:56,880
would be even today but he had a

2447
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:00,239
he had a UFO sighting in Manhattan

2448
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:03,360
yeah so do you know what year that was I

2449
01:52:08,810 --> 01:52:06,000
think it was 72

2450
01:52:11,390 --> 01:52:08,820
yeah so I was with Maharishi I didn't

2451
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:11,400
even know about it because I I was at

2452
01:52:17,470 --> 01:52:14,639
his his various ashrams I was in Europe

2453
01:52:21,470 --> 01:52:17,480
with him at that time

2454
01:52:25,070 --> 01:52:21,480
so this was the 70s the 70s are lost

2455
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,080
everything happened in the 70s I was in

2456
01:52:32,030 --> 01:52:28,320
the ashram there was no media there was

2457
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,040
no newspapers no TV it was just me in

2458
01:52:37,250 --> 01:52:35,040
the ashram I was working for Maharishi

2459
01:52:41,629 --> 01:52:37,260
and we were holding teacher training

2460
01:52:43,490 --> 01:52:41,639
courses in in Europe so in 72 I was in

2461
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:43,500
Mallorca

2462
01:52:47,930 --> 01:52:45,840
by the way John and Yoko came to

2463
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:47,940
Mallorca when we were there

2464
01:52:54,410 --> 01:52:50,480
we kidnapped her daughter

2465
01:52:57,169 --> 01:52:54,420
oh Tony Cox she had a daughter she has a

2466
01:52:59,149 --> 01:52:57,179
daughter Kyoko with Tony Cox

2467
01:53:01,970 --> 01:52:59,159
and Tony Cox was on the teacher training

2468
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,980
course with Maharishi this is in 1971 in

2469
01:53:08,030 --> 01:53:03,840
April I believe

2470
01:53:10,669 --> 01:53:08,040
and uh so Tony was meditating on on

2471
01:53:13,450 --> 01:53:10,679
doing the what they call Long rounding

2472
01:53:15,950 --> 01:53:13,460
which is meditating for you know all day

2473
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:15,960
in between meditation you would do some

2474
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:19,020
yoga exercises some yoga postures

2475
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:21,119
and you would do some pranayama some

2476
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:24,840
breathing so he was on that course and

2477
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:26,159
he was on the teacher training course

2478
01:53:32,330 --> 01:53:29,280
Tony Cox and so his daughter Kyoko which

2479
01:53:35,629 --> 01:53:32,340
he had custody of her and she was at the

2480
01:53:39,169 --> 01:53:35,639
child care on the chorus all of a sudden

2481
01:53:44,330 --> 01:53:39,179
John and Yoko show up

2482
01:53:46,729 --> 01:53:44,340
at the at the desk of the hotel Samoa

2483
01:53:49,850 --> 01:53:46,739
which is where I was staying

2484
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,860
and a friend of mine Billy Clayton was

2485
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,880
there and

2486
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:53,040
he immediately recognized him even

2487
01:53:58,250 --> 01:53:55,080
though they were wearing dumb uh

2488
01:53:59,810 --> 01:53:58,260
disguises trying to disguise themselves

2489
01:54:01,970 --> 01:53:59,820
and they said you know where's child

2490
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:01,980
care and so someone pointed them to

2491
01:54:14,450 --> 01:54:11,629
and so they ended up going getting

2492
01:54:17,450 --> 01:54:14,460
arrested in my orca

2493
01:54:19,729 --> 01:54:17,460
and you were there I was there yeah yeah

2494
01:54:22,609 --> 01:54:19,739
and then when that was going on

2495
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:22,619
um I I just want your opinion

2496
01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:25,920
I I I I I just I just got to do this

2497
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:30,380
yeah what was

2498
01:54:39,530 --> 01:54:33,360
yokos did she have

2499
01:54:43,070 --> 01:54:39,540
did she have what was how how did she

2500
01:54:44,570 --> 01:54:43,080
land him yeah yeah I mean how trying to

2501
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:44,580
think of the right I'm just trying to be

2502
01:54:51,129 --> 01:54:47,040
polite here how did she land John Wayne

2503
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:51,139
we all just like what you know everybody

2504
01:54:56,990 --> 01:54:53,840
to this day

2505
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:57,000
what was going on did she have did she

2506
01:55:02,750 --> 01:54:58,560
have some crazy pictures or something

2507
01:55:04,250 --> 01:55:02,760
that she had I mean what how did that

2508
01:55:06,830 --> 01:55:04,260
happen

2509
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:06,840
you know Cynthia Lennon when she met

2510
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,639
Yoko

2511
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:10,800
she was philosophical about it she

2512
01:55:17,209 --> 01:55:14,400
actually believed that he was her soul

2513
01:55:19,970 --> 01:55:17,219
mate that really he was more suited to

2514
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:19,980
her than to Cynthia

2515
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:22,800
and he loved her like crazy he was crazy

2516
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:25,679
about it we know that but that's not the

2517
01:55:31,490 --> 01:55:28,260
real story I mean that's that's how did

2518
01:55:35,810 --> 01:55:31,500
she let him relentlessly that's how she

2519
01:55:37,850 --> 01:55:35,820
doggedly chased him relentlessly if you

2520
01:55:39,410 --> 01:55:37,860
if you read the story of how she went

2521
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:39,420
after him

2522
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:41,699
okay so they're getting ready to go to

2523
01:55:44,750 --> 01:55:42,960
India right

2524
01:55:47,930 --> 01:55:44,760
so they went to the

2525
01:55:50,450 --> 01:55:47,940
to the TM Center there in London to make

2526
01:55:51,890 --> 01:55:50,460
arrangements to you know to get the

2527
01:55:54,229 --> 01:55:51,900
tickets and everything

2528
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:54,239
they walk in the door and he was sitting

2529
01:55:59,330 --> 01:55:57,360
in there Yoko Ono Yoko Ono is sitting

2530
01:56:01,729 --> 01:55:59,340
there and you know like what is she

2531
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:01,739
doing and so

2532
01:56:05,810 --> 01:56:03,360
you know they have the meeting whatever

2533
01:56:09,169 --> 01:56:05,820
and then at the end of the meeting

2534
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:09,179
they go down to the limo John and Yoko

2535
01:56:12,290 --> 01:56:11,040
go to their limo because they're going

2536
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:12,300
to leave the meeting

2537
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,360
and and the uh the chauffeur opens the

2538
01:56:21,169 --> 01:56:17,520
door to the back of the limo

2539
01:56:23,209 --> 01:56:21,179
and out of nowhere Yoko Ono jumps into

2540
01:56:25,550 --> 01:56:23,219
the limo

2541
01:56:26,930 --> 01:56:25,560
so John says would you like it ride

2542
01:56:29,209 --> 01:56:26,940
somewhere

2543
01:56:30,590 --> 01:56:29,219
she gave him the address and then she

2544
01:56:32,330 --> 01:56:30,600
didn't say one word

2545
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:32,340
and then they dropped her off and

2546
01:56:37,970 --> 01:56:35,040
Cynthia says what was that all about and

2547
01:56:39,530 --> 01:56:37,980
John was like playing dumb oh I don't

2548
01:56:41,169 --> 01:56:39,540
know I don't know why she I don't know

2549
01:56:45,310 --> 01:56:41,179
why she was there

2550
01:56:48,530 --> 01:56:45,320
it um you know here's I mean

2551
01:56:51,290 --> 01:56:48,540
we've we've all questioned we've all

2552
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:51,300
scratched our heads it doesn't make any

2553
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,480
sense and I think that a lot of this

2554
01:56:58,910 --> 01:56:56,400
um you know back up and go John's a

2555
01:57:02,270 --> 01:56:58,920
smart guy she just

2556
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:02,280
um must be very talented and and very

2557
01:57:08,030 --> 01:57:05,520
creative and he gets it and he gets her

2558
01:57:10,430 --> 01:57:08,040
and it's just something that they're at

2559
01:57:13,689 --> 01:57:10,440
a level that we don't understand and I

2560
01:57:16,970 --> 01:57:13,699
think that's how we kind of rationalize

2561
01:57:20,270 --> 01:57:16,980
ourselves but here's but here's the real

2562
01:57:22,609 --> 01:57:20,280
truth you've got a guy you got a band

2563
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:22,619
but you've got a guy like Paul McCartney

2564
01:57:29,390 --> 01:57:26,159
your creative partner since you were 14

2565
01:57:32,810 --> 01:57:29,400
years old right that you've you've

2566
01:57:37,570 --> 01:57:32,820
climbed them to the mountain top and you

2567
01:57:40,370 --> 01:57:37,580
get each and is that worth giving up

2568
01:57:43,370 --> 01:57:40,380
for Yoko

2569
01:57:45,290 --> 01:57:43,380
you gotta wonder I don't get I don't get

2570
01:57:48,290 --> 01:57:45,300
it and none of us did

2571
01:57:51,709 --> 01:57:48,300
you know and and the the running

2572
01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:51,719
commentary in pop culture uh for 50

2573
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:54,060
years has been that that Yoko broke up

2574
01:57:57,649 --> 01:57:55,199
the Beatles

2575
01:58:00,589 --> 01:57:57,659
right that's it that's it I mean Florida

2576
01:58:03,970 --> 01:58:00,599
did sort of did sort of didn't but yeah

2577
01:58:07,609 --> 01:58:03,980
there's I mean that there is that

2578
01:58:10,669 --> 01:58:07,619
uh pop culture the world put that on

2579
01:58:12,890 --> 01:58:10,679
Yoko I didn't I didn't plan a flag here

2580
01:58:15,770 --> 01:58:12,900
you know you've you've heard all the

2581
01:58:18,290 --> 01:58:15,780
same stuff that I have yeah and and yes

2582
01:58:20,570 --> 01:58:18,300
very much resented her coming to the

2583
01:58:24,050 --> 01:58:20,580
sessions because they had a pact

2584
01:58:26,689 --> 01:58:24,060
only be the only the musicians are to be

2585
01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:26,699
in the studio no one else no wives no

2586
01:58:31,010 --> 01:58:29,040
girlfriends are allowed and that was the

2587
01:58:33,890 --> 01:58:31,020
way they operated and then all of a

2588
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:33,900
sudden now they're recording The White

2589
01:58:39,229 --> 01:58:36,960
Album and that's no longer the case no

2590
01:58:42,310 --> 01:58:39,239
we have Yoko right there she's sitting

2591
01:58:44,990 --> 01:58:42,320
right there all the sessions she's there

2592
01:58:48,589 --> 01:58:45,000
they brought in a bed for her to lie on

2593
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:48,599
yes yes yes yes yes but George Martin

2594
01:58:55,850 --> 01:58:53,280
must have lost his frigate mind

2595
01:58:57,589 --> 01:58:55,860
uh George I Met George I don't know if

2596
01:59:00,290 --> 01:58:57,599
you've met him I I got to hang out with

2597
01:59:03,530 --> 01:59:00,300
him for a day and um it was it was

2598
01:59:06,589 --> 01:59:03,540
awesome and uh somewhere I've got

2599
01:59:09,169 --> 01:59:06,599
a really cool autograph on a beetle CD

2600
01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:09,179
uh from him and I think he did a sign of

2601
01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:13,199
Jeff Beck CD for me too as well but he's

2602
01:59:18,410 --> 01:59:14,639
so

2603
01:59:21,950 --> 01:59:18,420
um uh what's he's a gentleman yes right

2604
01:59:24,109 --> 01:59:21,960
he's Regal the dude is like royalty

2605
01:59:27,709 --> 01:59:24,119
there's no question about that very

2606
01:59:30,709 --> 01:59:27,719
educated guy but he knew the the art of

2607
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:30,719
recording yes he he understand he

2608
01:59:37,669 --> 01:59:34,800
understood orchestral written sheep he

2609
01:59:39,530 --> 01:59:37,679
was a musician's musician but he's also

2610
01:59:43,490 --> 01:59:39,540
a great producer with great ears yeah

2611
01:59:45,589 --> 01:59:43,500
and he had control of the situation with

2612
01:59:49,070 --> 01:59:45,599
anything that he was involved in and

2613
01:59:50,410 --> 01:59:49,080
then Yoko comes in and he lost control

2614
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:50,420
of it yeah

2615
02:00:01,790 --> 01:59:57,830
Susan you're the absolute very best and

2616
02:00:02,810 --> 02:00:01,800
now how are you when when uh when I show

2617
02:00:05,689 --> 02:00:02,820
up

2618
02:00:07,490 --> 02:00:05,699
um uh for the cruise yeah

2619
02:00:08,810 --> 02:00:07,500
um what time should I get there do I

2620
02:00:11,689 --> 02:00:08,820
have to get there early

2621
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:11,699
well you have to check in and check in

2622
02:00:16,850 --> 02:00:14,639
yet I'm just cracking I've already done

2623
02:00:20,089 --> 02:00:16,860
all of that okay

2624
02:00:22,729 --> 02:00:20,099
um is there oh oh oh oh for everybody

2625
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:22,739
that is going on the cruise

2626
02:00:28,370 --> 02:00:26,400
um if you're driving if you're flying in

2627
02:00:30,770 --> 02:00:28,380
from out of town that's all done you're

2628
02:00:31,910 --> 02:00:30,780
gonna arrive at LAX you're gonna get on

2629
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:31,920
the shuttle you're going to go down

2630
02:00:37,070 --> 02:00:33,119
there you're going to be all taken care

2631
02:00:39,530 --> 02:00:37,080
of uh what if you're local how do you go

2632
02:00:43,729 --> 02:00:39,540
about uh that can you park is there

2633
02:00:45,950 --> 02:00:43,739
there's parking is there a valet

2634
02:00:49,010 --> 02:00:45,960
um I'm not sure about that I'm about

2635
02:00:51,109 --> 02:00:49,020
eight guy I don't park my own car

2636
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:51,119
you'll have to check on that the the

2637
02:00:56,089 --> 02:00:52,800
phone number is

2638
02:00:58,250 --> 02:00:56,099
phone numbers listed on the website in

2639
02:01:00,470 --> 02:00:58,260
the transportation page all the details

2640
02:01:02,450 --> 02:01:00,480
about parking are there I just messed up

2641
02:01:04,490 --> 02:01:02,460
oh you're messing with me I'm just

2642
02:01:05,649 --> 02:01:04,500
messing with you I'm just shaking I just

2643
02:01:09,290 --> 02:01:05,659
take you

2644
02:01:11,209 --> 02:01:09,300
so much value here I'm so excited about

2645
02:01:14,629 --> 02:01:11,219
this we're gonna have a great time it's

2646
02:01:17,510 --> 02:01:14,639
gonna it's gonna end too quickly

2647
02:01:20,209 --> 02:01:17,520
um I already know this but for everybody

2648
02:01:23,390 --> 02:01:20,219
uh that is going down when you uh see

2649
02:01:25,370 --> 02:01:23,400
Susan there go up and say uh hello we're

2650
02:01:27,589 --> 02:01:25,380
going to be hanging out it we're going

2651
02:01:29,510 --> 02:01:27,599
to make friends and at the end of this

2652
02:01:32,089 --> 02:01:29,520
at this end of seven days just like

2653
02:01:34,189 --> 02:01:32,099
anything like this you make friends for

2654
02:01:36,290 --> 02:01:34,199
life and these are these are memories

2655
02:01:38,629 --> 02:01:36,300
and I can't wait uh to go and get this

2656
02:01:40,490 --> 02:01:38,639
started Susan thank you so much and

2657
02:01:41,930 --> 02:01:40,500
thanks for inviting me and I'm so

2658
02:01:44,209 --> 02:01:41,940
excited you're gonna be on the cruise

2659
02:01:46,490 --> 02:01:44,219
yeah it's gonna be great I'm hosting a

2660
02:01:49,490 --> 02:01:46,500
bunch of panels I'm actually doing a

2661
02:01:52,609 --> 02:01:49,500
presentation I've got a bunch of private

2662
02:01:54,530 --> 02:01:52,619
family videos that uh I have put

2663
02:01:58,729 --> 02:01:54,540
together that I'm going to be showing uh

2664
02:02:02,149 --> 02:01:58,739
from Egypt I shot yeah I shot about

2665
02:02:04,910 --> 02:02:02,159
um I shot about 10 hours of video uh

2666
02:02:06,229 --> 02:02:04,920
while I was in Egypt I've only shown

2667
02:02:09,709 --> 02:02:06,239
Maybe

2668
02:02:12,830 --> 02:02:09,719
10 minutes of it right and I'm sitting

2669
02:02:16,070 --> 02:02:12,840
on all of this and I can't wait to go

2670
02:02:18,109 --> 02:02:16,080
through this for me I know we're

2671
02:02:19,310 --> 02:02:18,119
overtime here but I'm just gonna wrap

2672
02:02:23,870 --> 02:02:19,320
this

2673
02:02:26,030 --> 02:02:23,880
um there is once you you can talk if

2674
02:02:28,370 --> 02:02:26,040
you've been to Egypt you know I have yes

2675
02:02:31,430 --> 02:02:28,380
you can talk about the spiritual side of

2676
02:02:33,770 --> 02:02:31,440
this and the experiences I think most

2677
02:02:35,990 --> 02:02:33,780
people well they might act like they're

2678
02:02:38,510 --> 02:02:36,000
interested but you lose their attention

2679
02:02:42,649 --> 02:02:38,520
after a little bit it's a personal

2680
02:02:45,649 --> 02:02:42,659
Journey but when you see the video that

2681
02:02:48,109 --> 02:02:45,659
goes along with the story not slides not

2682
02:02:51,410 --> 02:02:48,119
not pics you know when you go through

2683
02:02:53,750 --> 02:02:51,420
the video and people get to experience

2684
02:02:55,250 --> 02:02:53,760
that side of it I don't think it happens

2685
02:02:59,149 --> 02:02:55,260
enough

2686
02:03:01,790 --> 02:02:59,159
um and I am going to uh share some of

2687
02:03:03,229 --> 02:03:01,800
these private moments uh in Egypt that I

2688
02:03:05,629 --> 02:03:03,239
haven't shared with anybody so I'm

2689
02:03:06,770 --> 02:03:05,639
excited that'd be great yeah it's going

2690
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:06,780
to be awesome it's going to be awesome

2691
02:03:12,770 --> 02:03:09,360
so I'll see you in about

2692
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:12,780
three weeks less less than three weeks

2693
02:03:20,330 --> 02:03:16,560
yeah I know I know well today's the 20th

2694
02:03:23,629 --> 02:03:20,340
it's a uh we're we're sailing on April

2695
02:03:26,089 --> 02:03:23,639
7th so it's

2696
02:03:28,629 --> 02:03:26,099
it's 17 days it's not even three weeks

2697
02:03:32,890 --> 02:03:28,639
oh my goodness

2698
02:03:36,050 --> 02:03:32,900
I gotta go do laundry yeah right

2699
02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:36,060
I'll see you on the seventh thank you so

2700
02:03:42,010 --> 02:03:38,880
much Susan Susan thank you for inviting

2701
02:03:45,770 --> 02:03:42,020
me the website is below for the cruise

2702
02:03:47,689 --> 02:03:45,780
uh Susan's personal website and her book

2703
02:03:50,450 --> 02:03:47,699
are all below and throughout social

2704
02:03:52,129 --> 02:03:50,460
media enjoy the rest of your night Susan

2705
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:52,139
thank you so much thank you and thank

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you great conversation and uh I know

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that we went over tonight but it was an

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amazing conversation Susan schumsky and

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again her links are below and the book

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is a great read

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all right

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uh what's going on

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oh tomorrow tomorrow night uh tomorrow

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night special report on artificial

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intelligence Wednesday nights right here

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David Palmer that's because Thursday

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he's here Wednesday Thursday Pluto is

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entering Aquarius and that is happening

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out there that's a big deal Thursday

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night Ronnie LeBlanc Friday night our

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Linda Moulton Howe special event that's

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right five nights of Fade to Black this

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week

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there you go all right so until tomorrow

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night with my special report on

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artificial intelligence I want everybody

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to behave enjoy your evening Fade to

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Black has produced by Hilton J Palm

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Renee Dennis and Kevin announcers uh

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announcers webmasters through the game

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music Doug Albert's intro space boys

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spaceboymusic.com fade to black is

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produced by kjcr for the game changer

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Network and this podcast is on the

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the game changer Network I'm Yours Jimmy